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Epstein to Cubs 'inevitable,' talks continue

Posted on: October 16, 2011 10:49 am
 
By Matt Snyder

The Cubs and Red Sox continue to discuss a compensation package for the Cubs poaching Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein with a year remaining on his contract. As of the last update the two sides were far apart, but it's been a few days, so let's take a look at how things have gone since then, according to various reporters from the Red Sox and Cubs beats.

Cubs/Red Sox drama
• At one point, talks were growing "increasingly contentious" between the two clubs, as Red Sox president Larry Lucchino was reportedly making things very difficult due to his now-fractured relationship with Epstein (CSNChicago.com), but several others have reported this wasn't accurate. Pete Abraham of the Boston Globe reports that the talks are "business-like, civil and moving forward."

• The Red Sox are asking for at least two of the Cubs' top prospects, reports Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald, but Carrie Muskat of MLB.com reports top Cubs prospect Brett Jackson is not going anywhere.

• As things currently stand, no present Red Sox personnel will accompany Epstein to Chicago, reports Nick Carfardo of the Boston Globe. As for former employees, that could be a different story. Tom Krasovic reports that former Red Sox assistant GM Josh Byrnes will likely join Epstein in Chicago. Byrnes was the general manager for the Diamondbacks from November of '05 through July of last season and is currently the vice president of baseball operations for the Padres.

• The World Series begins Wednesday and Major League Baseball won't allow any deals to be consummated during it, so there's a bit of a clock on this thing, unless both teams are OK with waiting until afterward (and that's not likely, as they surely want the drama to end very soon). Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune has reported that a deal won't be completed this weekend, and Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald reports all signs are pointing to a deal being completed by the end of the day Tuesday.

WEEI.com reports a deal is "virtually inevitable" and that it's only a matter of time. So, realistically, it sounds like we should expect some sort of announcement Tuesday.

• Finally, the two clubs could be competing for the services of Hall of Famer Ryne Sandberg as manager, according to Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports. Epstein is once again the common thread here, as he tried to hire Sandberg to manage the Red Sox's Triple-A team this past winter. Sandberg had already taken the Phillies' Triple-A job, so it wasn't like he snubbed Epstein's advances. Many others in the Red Sox front office are said to like Sandberg, while Cubs chairman Tom Ricketts is eager to repair the relationship with the former Cubs' second baseman -- who was snubbed by former Cubs general manager Jim Hendry last offseason for the managerial job in Chicago.

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Comments

Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: October 16, 2011 9:26 pm
 

Epstein to Cubs 'inevitable,' talks continue

I didn't say the Sox would take back Epstein. They can pay him the money to stay home. The Sox have the leverage, not the Cubs. The Cubs have to give the Sox whatever they ask, if they want Epstein. If that weren't the case the deal would have been done already. Why is that so hard to understand?



Since: Mar 7, 2008
Posted on: October 16, 2011 9:16 pm
 

Epstein to Cubs 'inevitable,' talks continue

I’d bet my life that the Cubs will have to give prospects for this deal to go through. Or perhaps a large sum of money instead, but to think that Boston will give him up for nothing is absurd. The deal would have happened 4 days ago if that were so. The Red Sox have the Cubs over a barrel and they know it.

I disagree. Epstein has agreed to a deal with the Cubs, so the Cubs have the Sox over a barrel. Its not like the Sox can bring Epstein back at this point so the two will haggle over some decent prospects and this will go forward.




Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: October 16, 2011 8:43 pm
 

Epstein to Cubs 'inevitable,' talks continue

I’d bet my life that the Cubs will have to give prospects for this deal to go through. Or perhaps a large sum of money instead, but to think that Boston will give him up for nothing is absurd. The deal would have happened 4 days ago if that were so. The Red Sox have the Cubs over a barrel and they know it.

Also I want to point out that Snyder is incorrect in his article. There is no rule in place that MLB won’t allow any major deals to be made during the series. MLB frowns upon it but will not prevent deals to be made, they do not have the authority to do so. The deal can be made anytime; protocol suggests not during the WS but we’ll see.




Since: Nov 10, 2006
Posted on: October 16, 2011 7:58 pm
 

Epstein to Cubs 'inevitable,' talks continue

Lucchino is playing hard ball partly since he and Epstein only tolerate each other.   Their is more at stake for Boston than 1.5 million since Epstein

also has a 3.5 million separation bonus involved.   The Cubs from all reports are willing to take over this debt.   However, I don't really think the Cubs will


pay this amount and then give Boston any of their top prospects.   Since one of the Boston owner's (Henry) really thinks the world of Epstein,  I don't 


think he will allow Lucchino to drag this out.     I don't think Boston wants to pay Epstein 1.5 plus 3.5 million to sit out next year since Epstein 


would not do anything but be a very unhappy employee!!!!      
; Cubs need to be patient and this deal can wait until after the World Series if


necessary.       
;   



Since: May 5, 2009
Posted on: October 16, 2011 6:40 pm
 

Epstein to Cubs 'inevitable,' talks continue

@packisbackman

it's more of a lateral move due to epstein being pres and GM when he goes to chicago



Since: Apr 28, 2007
Posted on: October 16, 2011 6:16 pm
 

Epstein to Cubs 'inevitable,' talks continue

How are baseball clubs organized.  Are GMs higher than Vice Presidents,  I was just wondering because the article says he will bring in Josh Byrnes, currently Vice President of Baseball Operations for the Padres.  Would this be a step down to join Epstein?  What does a Vice President of Baseball operations do?  I thought the GM basically makes the personnel decisions, who stays who goes who get long term contracts, etc, etc. etc.  Also another question that hit me is has there ever been a manager in baseball that also served as GM?  It happens in Pro Football Coach and GM, but not so much anymore.  Just wondering?



Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: October 16, 2011 5:17 pm
 

Epstein to Cubs 'inevitable,' talks continue

I disagree. The Red Sox don't have to take him back as anything, they can pay him 1.5 million to stay away. That's nothing. Therefore they have the leverage in this deal.

If the Cubs really want him, they will have to give up some good prospects or good money. That is why this deal has taken so long to complete, because the Cubs don't want to give up what the Sox are asking.

I do think in the end Theo will go to the Cubs, but at a price of either a lot of money, or a couple of fairly solid prospects (or both).




Since: Jul 10, 2011
Posted on: October 16, 2011 4:29 pm
 

Epstein to Cubs 'inevitable,' talks continue

Exaclty. The funny thing is the guy negotiating the deal for the Sox is Epsteins replacement.  Why would he not make sure this deal went thru??  Otherwise Epstein is back and he is "back" to an assistant to a lame duck GM.  Cubs should be in countrol of this and not give up much to make it happen...




Since: May 4, 2008
Posted on: October 16, 2011 4:25 pm
 

Epstein to Cubs 'inevitable,' talks continue

Boston doesn't want him they just don't want the Cubs to have him.  In the end the cubs will give up a couple of token players



Since: May 17, 2007
Posted on: October 16, 2011 3:56 pm
 

Epstein to Cubs 'inevitable,' talks continue

Why would the Cubs give up much of anything?  Obviously they are looking for a change in Boston and the number of high profile jobs is zero so why would you give up when one you haven't got a ton and Boston has the only leverage of bringing him back which they wont do.<br />



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