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Red Sox, Cubs must complete Theo deal by Nov. 1

Posted on: October 23, 2011 9:49 pm
Edited on: October 24, 2011 1:31 pm
 
By Evan Brunell

The Red Sox and Cubs must decide on compensation for GM Theo Epstein soon to avoid Bud Selig stepping in, as Scott Miller of CBSSports.com reported Saturday.

Selig told Comcast New England that he has set a November 1 deadline for the teams to agree.  

"They have until Nov. 1 -- Theo and [incoming Red Sox GM Ben Cherington] and all the other parties involved," Selig said.

Now that Epstein has officially moved to the Cubs, he will be negotiating with his former colleague Cherington. 

"Hopefully they can get things done," Selig added. "I always encourage clubs to try to get things done between themselves. Somehow, the commissioner has enough things of controversy [to deal with]. They'll either get it done or they won't. If they don't, then I will."

And so we're all on the same page, Selig stepping in isn't revealing a particular agenda. Well, it is, but only that he wants this transaction to be over wiith. 

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Comments

Since: Aug 23, 2008
Posted on: October 25, 2011 5:32 pm
 

Red Sox, Cubs must complete Theo deal by Nov. 1

Jayhawkin you really are an idiot. What primetime is saying is that their is no official rule banning announcements during the world series. If you understood the context of what you were reading you would understand that a TRADITIONAL ban is not in the rules, but instead is a just a TRADITION observed by members of the mlb. Therefore an announcement CAN be made during the world series, it would just be frowned upon by higher members of baseball. As we saw with Arod a few years ago he made an announcement during the world series that upset Selig and Arod was not discpline because he is ALLOWED to do what he did. So maybe you are the one who needs to check their facts before posting garbage on this article.
And btw if neither team can agree to a deal just like any other player for player trade then the deal should just fall through. The comish doesn't come in a decide other trades that can't get done those trades just instead don't happen. The cubs will just have to wait to sign Theo until after his contract is up next year if they can't work something out. And the Red Sox don't have all the leverage because one they have already hired a new GM and two they don't want to pay Theo 7 million next year when it is clear he no longer wishes to stay with the team.



Since: Jun 22, 2008
Posted on: October 24, 2011 3:15 pm
 

Red Sox, Cubs must complete Theo deal by Nov. 1

Why would ESPN say there is a traditonal ban on announcements during the WS? Why then, do multiple news outlets report this as well? Is it just coincedence that fact checkers for multiple news entities all failed to catch this?

Bottom line, whether it is published in the MLB rule book or not, you are not allowed to make moves and announce them during the WS. That is why you never see press releases from clubs during the WS, but a flurry right afterwards.

You are not allowed to do anything that is a distraction. The ongoing negotiations are turning into a spectable and the commish needs to put this to bed. 



Since: Aug 28, 2006
Posted on: October 24, 2011 3:00 pm
 

Red Sox, Cubs must complete Theo deal by Nov. 1

Those are both articles not from the rules of the frachise agreement or MLB rules.
It  even says in one of the articles you posted the link to
"Major League Baseball discourages teams from announcements during the World Series " 
So as I said it is not a written rule and it is the commissioner stating what he wants and they did what he asked.

I not saying you are wrong with your opinion but there is no rule that states you can not make announcements.

No we don't know if either has asked for help and boy both clubs need to ask for it but unless they did he has no business setting a deadline.



Since: Jun 22, 2008
Posted on: October 24, 2011 2:46 pm
 

Red Sox, Cubs must complete Theo deal by Nov. 1

From MBL.com
From ESPN

Also, we don't know for a fact if neither requested. I'd be willing to be the Cubs did because they have everything to lose here - in theory they could not get Epstein and lose out on Free Agency, or pay 2 arms and 2 legs for Epstein.

Any Commissioner that doesn't threaten to step in situations like these has no business being a Commissioner. That is their job, to keep things running smoothly and ensure fairness across the league. He also has allowed this to go on for quite some time, and has given them advance warning in hopes they will come to a solution without an arbitrator (be it himself, or someone he appoints). 



Since: Aug 28, 2006
Posted on: October 24, 2011 2:35 pm
 

Red Sox, Cubs must complete Theo deal by Nov. 1

jayhawkin_ cub,

I have read and reviewed the MLB Franchise agreement and no where does it say that announcements should be made after the WS.
I have also looked at rules for MLB and it does not state in there either that any team announcements must be made after the WS.
If you can show me where it states that I would be inclined to agree with you but I have not found anything that states it.
Also it does state that any teams making a trade that are having proplems negotiating compensation may request the help of the comissioner as a mediator.
Neither of these teams have requested his help so he has no business imposing any deadlines.



Since: Jun 22, 2008
Posted on: October 24, 2011 1:56 pm
 

Red Sox, Cubs must complete Theo deal by Nov. 1

here is nothing in the league rules that say's they have to wait until after the WS.

Primetime, think before you post. Or at least do some research. The league has always had a ban on making announcements during the WS.

Also, think about it. What were to happen if the commissioner were to let this just drag out forever? You have no management in place for the Cubs to get a head start on Free Agency. The Red Sox would leverage this and force the Cubs into submission by extracting much more than what is fair. 

This is the exact reason why you have a League Commissioner in the first place. It's called fairness. 



Since: Feb 18, 2009
Posted on: October 24, 2011 1:49 pm
 

Red Sox, Cubs must complete Theo deal by Nov. 1

Numb Nuts -  How long do one allow the negotiations between the RedSox and Cubs to be permitted?  The Cubs were handcuffed until Theo resigned so he can offically move into the cubs organization and be prepared for the Free agents to hit the market days after the World Series. The commish needs to invervene here to ensure a deal is in place in a timely manner. Infact, I would not be surprised that the rewquest came from both clubs to have the commish mediate the situation.



Since: Oct 9, 2010
Posted on: October 24, 2011 1:13 pm
 

Red Sox, Cubs must complete Theo deal by Nov. 1

Why does dictator Selig think he has any right to intervene here?  This is a deal between two franchises, neither of which have filed any type of grievance or even asked the commissioner to do anything.  If they can't agree on compensation, then the Cubs can't hire Epstein until his contract is up and the Red Sox won't get anything in return when it does.  Simple as that.  Selig is determined to screw up baseball as much as possible and for some reason the owners are allowing this.  He is meddling in the finances of teams and dictating where they play.  He is an EMPLOYEE of the owners, not the other way around.  Stop letting this pig get away with this stuff.  He needs to be removed from baseball for the good of the game.



Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: October 24, 2011 1:00 pm
 

Red Sox, Cubs must complete Theo deal by Nov. 1

Selig has EVERY right to step in here. This is EXACTLY the role of a commissioner. The reason this deal has taken so long is because of the compensation differences. If the commissioner doesn’t step in and make this deal be complete, then the deal will NEVER be consummated.

And the reason it has to be done by November 1 is because of free agency coming. Teams want to know where players stand in which organization, for deals to be made.

If Selig decided not to step in and set a deadline for this deal, he would be looked upon as a weak-kneed commissioner (which he is already). He needs to step in and get this deal done, this is his job, to keep baseball operating smoothly in matters like these. Otherwise why have a commissioner at all?

In other business contract negotiations when there is a stalemate, an arbitrator comes in to help settle the matter. Selig in this instance is the arbitrator, or he can assign someone.



Since: Dec 14, 2007
Posted on: October 24, 2011 12:51 pm
 

Red Sox, Cubs must complete Theo deal by Nov. 1

I don't think that Selig has asny right at all to dictate what compensation should be for ANY team. I am one of the few I guess that feels that an owner of a team should never be allowed to be the commisioner of Baseball. There is a lot riding on this decision for the Cubs, and the Sox. Allowing a team owner to dictate terms for a team that is in his ownleague/conference is idiotic.

Replace the commisioner with someone who has some brains, and does not play favorites so easily.


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