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Phillies decline options on Lidge, Oswalt

Posted on: October 24, 2011 4:43 pm
Edited on: October 24, 2011 5:26 pm
 
Oswalt

By Evan Brunell


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Roy Oswalt and Brad Lidge are hitting the market, as the Philles declined their 2012 options on Monday.

"While we will not pick up either of their options, we will remain in contact with representatives for both players about the possibility of bringing them back for the 2012 season,”GM Ruben Amaro Jr said in a news release.  “Brad and Roy both made significant contributions to the Phillies over the past several seasons.”

Oswalt (pictured), at this point, is the better known name. The 34-year-old was acquired in a deadline deal from the Astros in 2010 and was huge down the stretch, posting a Doug Fister-like 1.74 ERA in 12 starts and one relief appearance. Alas, the righty couldn't keep it up in 2011 as he battled back problems that left him with a 3.69 ERA in 23 starts. Oswalt's option was for $16 million ($2 million buyout) and it was a no-brainer to decline. He's still plenty young enough to have several more years left in him, but has seriously considered retirement before and could choose that route.

The bet here is that he eventually signs with a team for two years on a deal worth a bit more than $20 million in total. The Phillies could elect to bring him back, but with Vance Worley's emergence, the team isn't desperate for a starting pitcher and could allocate the money elsewhere. The Astros would be an odd fit given their rebuilding, but the Rangers make sense if he's interested in returning to Texas, as the club is unlikely to bring back ace C.J. Wilson.

Lidge, meanwhile, had a 1.40 ERA in 19 1/3 innings for Philadelphia. He struck out 23 and walked 13, missing much of the year with a right-shoulder strain. His $12.5 million option was even more of a no-brainer to decline, and he'll get $1.5 million on a buyout. He had 27 saves for the Phillies in 2010, but may find the closer's market a bit frigid thanks to both a high volume of closers hitting the market, plus increased control problems since joining Philadelphia. He'll have a market as a setup man for sure, but may need to accept a make-good one-year deal to rebuild his value.

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Comments

Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: October 26, 2011 6:51 am
 

Phillies decline options on Lidge, Oswalt

@diablo doofus...

I've been a fan of theirs long enough to know much better than you that the current management has a completely different mindset than the ones who have run the team previously...

I realize as a Detroit fan you're feeling like your chances of ever again being relevant in the AL Central is slowly slipping away, but there's no need to make stupid statements that make you look like an utter moron.

We traded Greinke away and got exactly what we needed...and more.

Now we have prospects to burn and money to spend...we could very well sign two front line starters if Dayton Moore and company don't see the young guys producing right away.

Just hide and watch, dude...hide and watch.



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: October 25, 2011 11:03 pm
 

Phillies decline options on Lidge, Oswalt

ok so they bought him away from themselves?
Once you're a free agent, you're buying that player from 29 other teams.  Looking at things in a small bubble, like you're doing, isn't the way to do things.  The fact of the matter is that once a player is a free agent, no matter what team they played for previously, every team has a shot at them.  If you put up the most amount of money (which the Yankees did, by a wide margin), and they sign with you, you've bought that player.  Simple as that.



Since: Apr 25, 2008
Posted on: October 25, 2011 3:39 pm
 

Phillies decline options on Lidge, Oswalt

ok so they bought him away from themselves? 



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: October 25, 2011 2:45 pm
 

Phillies decline options on Lidge, Oswalt

so in that case he still wasn't a free agent taken from another team, he was a yankee who's contract was up and he resigned with the yankees. 

he was traded for alfonso soriano and others, then he opted out (as per his contract with texas) years after he was traded and resigned with the same team he was with.  he was never bought away from another team as so many make it seem.
It didn't make him any less bought.  It didn't make him any less of a free agent.  He could have chosen to just re-up his contract with the Yanks without opting out of his deal, but he didn't.  The only reason he resigned with the Yanks was because they were the only team offering him $27.5 million a year.  That makes him bought.


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Since: Oct 25, 2011
Posted on: October 25, 2011 1:40 pm
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Since: Apr 25, 2008
Posted on: October 25, 2011 12:38 pm
 

Phillies decline options on Lidge, Oswalt

so in that case he still wasn't a free agent taken from another team, he was a yankee who's contract was up and he resigned with the yankees. 

he was traded for alfonso soriano and others, then he opted out (as per his contract with texas) years after he was traded and resigned with the same team he was with.  he was never bought away from another team as so many make it seem.



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: October 25, 2011 12:31 pm
 

Phillies decline options on Lidge, Oswalt

since A rod, Granderson, and Nick Swisher were all via trades, and we traded home grown guys for them as well.
Actually, A-Fraud opted out of his deal with the Yankees, became a free agent, and resigned with the Yankees for $275 million over 10 years.  There was no home grown talent traded for him in that instance.





Since: May 26, 2011
Posted on: October 25, 2011 11:50 am
 

Phillies decline options on Lidge, Oswalt

I think it really comes down to money and value.  Oswalt is not worth $16 million for next year and Lidge isn't worth $12.5 million, but I don't understand the notion of getting rid of them no matter what.  I just think you can only keep them if the price (and number of years) is right. 

Now I know some people have a fervent, almost pathalogical dislike for Lidge, but realistically he's been pretty good most of the time, and IF he can stay healthy, which is a real question, he could be very helpful this year.  You manage risk with money and length of contract, not by just not taking a risk.  If he will sign for a reasonable price, maybe even for one year, then he is worth the risk.  It makes sense on his part too.  Familiar surroundings, familiar teammates, a high profile team in contention, then if he has a good year he can get a bigger contract next year from us or someone else. 

As for Oswalt, similar thinking, though 1 year may not get it done, but if he can come back for a reasonable price, why not take a shot at it?  Less chance of this working out though as the market for him on other teams might be stronger than the Phillies need for him.  Let me put it a different way.  Do you really feel comfortable if Oswalt ends up on another NL contender?  Are you so sure he is washed up that you'd like to see him on the Braves or the Brewers, or somewhere like that?   

I would like to point out one thing about the Phillies needs for a starter however.  You always need at LEAST one more than you think you will.  This past year Worley and Kendrick both saw a lot of time as a starter when neither were starters on opening day.  The year before that KK started the entire year for the Phils as one starter or another was down at any given time.  Now I understand Kendrick can fill that role again and Blanton SHOULD be healthy enough to pitch (though many fans may not want him to) but things happen and we may well find ourselves in need of another starter.  Besides Kendrick showed this year how valuable he can be out of the bullpen if he can stay there.



Since: Apr 25, 2008
Posted on: October 25, 2011 11:21 am
 

Phillies decline options on Lidge, Oswalt

Holy Cow. How far back do you want to go. The players you are naming are from the mid 90's bar Hughes. Let's see
1st Base - bought  3rd Base- Bought, C-Bought, OF-Bought 2 of 3, SP-Bought, minus Hughes, RP-2 of 4 bought.

Home Grown: SS, 2nd, LF, 1 SP, 2 of 4 RP

Just look at their payroll, if they are a "homegrown" team, why do they have the highest payroll ever..... every year.     

1st.  Please explain how a trade is the same as a free agent?  since A rod, Granderson, and Nick Swisher were all via trades, and we traded home grown guys for them as well.  maybe you should take it up with Texas, Detroit, and the White Sox for trading them to the yankees.   Now what you are really saying is in the last 4 years the yankees have 3 (tex, CC, burnett) big $ free agents.  unless you include Russell Martin, Tolo, and Freddie Gar as big guns that we bought away from all those other teams that were after them but just couldn't afford them yeah cause i'm sure teams were lining up to give tolo 900k but it was just to expensive for them.     
    

2nd.  i think you forgot a few like Ivan Nova, Jesus Montero, and David Robertson.  Austine Romine and maybe the killer B pitchers coming up next year as well.  they yankees always have strong young players and your a fool if you think otherwise.  some guys who have retired as well were major players for us and were also home grown.     

3rd.  they have the highest payroll because they can afford to reward guys who played well and won us titles in addition to bringing in free agents.  its both, not one by itself.    

4th.  if you got offered twice as much money as you currently make to leave your job and work at a new company, would you not accept it because its in some way not fair to your current employer if he can't afford to match the offer?   huh whats that you say? i cant hear you.... 






Since: Nov 2, 2009
Posted on: October 25, 2011 10:15 am
 

Phillies decline options on Lidge, Oswalt

If all teams had the cash, they would trade to gain players who fit their needs.  I am a Rangers fan and even with the players they have brought through their system, they traded for some of players who are contributing today such as Napoli, Beltre, Hamilton, Adams.  Trades are a part of the game, if you want your team to win consistantly like the Yankees do; go to all the home games and buy merchandise - give your team capital.


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