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Phillies reach agreement with Papelbon

Posted on: November 11, 2011 2:19 pm
Edited on: November 11, 2011 3:44 pm
 
By Matt Snyder

Jonathan Papelbon is going to be changing organizations for the first time in his professional career. He has agreed in principle to sign with the Phillies for a four-year contract that approaches $50 million, pending a physical, according to Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com. The deal was first reported by Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com.

Earlier this week, reports surfaced that the Phillies had agreed to a deal with incumbent closer Ryan Madson, but that situation fell apart, and several reports later this past week indicated the deal was never fully agreed upon and that the earlier reports jumped the gun. And when things started to fall apart, the Phillies shifted their focus to Papelbon.

Papelbon, 30, is a four-time All-Star and a much more established closer, with 219 career saves (to Madson's 52). The two pitchers are very similar in age (Papelbon is just under two months younger), but, again, Papelbon has a lot more experience as the ninth-inning guy.

Last season, Papelbon saved 31 of 34 chances with a 2.94 ERA, 0.93 WHIP and 87 strikeouts in 64 1/3 innings. A move to the NL should help a bit, though the NL East should prove to be pretty tough next season.

As for Madson, he's left looking elsewhere, as he's surely looking for a closer's job and several teams are seeking an established closer. 

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Since: Dec 27, 2007
Posted on: November 12, 2011 4:27 am
 

Phillies reach agreement with Papelbon

Considered where each player is at (Madson and Papelbon) in their career and their respective abilities, is it really an upgrade?  Not really
 Papelbon has 219 saves as compared to 52 for Madson. Papelbon has had 30+ saves for 6 straight years. Madson once. Papelbon has converted 88.3% of his save OPS. Madson has coverted 66.6%. The last 2 years it's 84%. They're both 31, so Ryan isn't even younger. Again, the numbers suggest upgrade. Again, remember, they're the same age.

Madson has one season under his belt as the primary closer and had a very good year with 32 saves. However, looking at the overall body of work, Papelbon has proven himself to be a more seasoned closer. The Phillies are not looking to win more regular season games, but actually win a playoff series after the last 2 years. Signing a guy who has won a world series as the closer and also has 7 post-season saves in 9 chances(one blown save was an unearned run), plus a 2-1-1.00 ERA in 27 post-season innings again spells upgrade over someone who has 2 post-season saves in 6 save opportunities and a solid 2-1- 2.31 ERA. It may not be a huge one, but nonetheless is one.

Now if Madson signs for far less, perhaps you can argue value. However, performance-wise over their careers, Papelbon has clearly been better. Madson may turn out to be the better closer over the length of Papelbon's deal. But as of right now, Papelbon is the better closer due to his track record in the regular and post-season. Hence, an upgrade.



Since: Dec 27, 2007
Posted on: November 12, 2011 3:55 am
 

Phillies reach agreement with Papelbon

Starblazer,

Now listen closely you do not play for the Mets so their is no MY METS.And come on do you really think your team
could afford Madson are you kidding.Remeber you root for a team who's owners are MORONS.

And as usual you say things and you are always wrong.How is Pap an upgrade Madson had 32 saves and a 2.37 era
Pap had 31 saves and a 2.94 era.SO THAT IS NOT AN UPGRADE.And Pap blew the playoffs for them.He is not a
MONEY pitcher.Madson has so much more upside.That you were right about.

So 1 out of 3 ain't bad


You also forgot that Madson also has a ring for 2008, albeit as the 8th inning set-up man
 First of all, I don't know who you are, but you write like you're in 7th grade. Caps = yelling. Yelling = illogic

Papelbon is a known commodity. Madson wasn't even given the closing role when Lidge went down. He's got talent, but hasn't proven himself in big games. If you don't understand that, it just illustrates your lack of baseball knowledge.

As a fan, I can claim the team as my own. I've followed them for 42 years. The Mets are going to spend money on the pen. Odds are Madson is out of their reach. I said I wish the Mets could lock him up. I think he has potential to be a solid closer. He's not in Papelbon's class, yet. Sandy Alderson is making the moves, not the Wilpon's. He has a budget, but also a brain and a plan.

As for usually saying things that are wrong, I have a pretty good track record and reputation about the game and my team. I don't need validation from anyone. I make many predictions and statements. I also don't worry about being right or wrong. I always try to back up my points with evidence. Oh, how can I a;ways be wrong if I got 1 of 3 correct in your eyes? Too funny.

Papelbon was a money pitcher in 2007 when his team won the World Series. The Phillies are getting the best closer on the market. They're going with a proven closer vs a more inexperienced, yet very talented one. That's an upgrade.




Since: Jul 22, 2010
Posted on: November 12, 2011 2:16 am
 

Phillies reach agreement with Papelbon

Uh OK!  That is a lot of ching dealt out here.  I get the fact that the closer spot has been a bit of an "achillies heal" in the past, but that's a lot of coin.  He does have a lot of play off experience, and some great stats, so I'm going to have to play a "we'll see" card on this one.  It really could be just what the Phillies needed.  There seems to be a bit of desperation by them and I'm not sure why?  The window seems open for a few more years so let's see what happens.



Since: Aug 7, 2008
Posted on: November 12, 2011 1:48 am
 

Phillies reach agreement with Papelbon

This is one of the stupidest moves of all-time by singing a closer for 50 million dollars that can turn into 60 million by what ESPN are saying. No closer deserves this much money especially a closer who is on his down years in Jonathan Papelbon. Sorry Phillie fans but that's way you guys will never win another championship because of these move, fools.



Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: November 12, 2011 1:47 am
 

Phillies reach agreement with Papelbon

Gee, NESportsouth, that is pretty scary.  Just think what he might have accomplished in his career if he'd had real stuff, huh?  Who knows, maybe if he'd had good stuff he wouldn't have just a measly 219 saves by age 30.  If he were any good he'd have at least 225 by now, right?  What a darn shame . . .



Since: Jun 17, 2007
Posted on: November 12, 2011 1:29 am
 

Phillies reach agreement with Papelbon

Ha!  This signing is hilarious!  I guess the Phillies have trouble learning "spending" lessons.  Enjoy your second collapse with a "bought" team!



Since: May 25, 2011
Posted on: November 12, 2011 12:12 am
 

Phillies reach agreement with Papelbon

The Phils better have 3 run leads before they bring Paps in the game....he usuallly blows 2 of the 3 runs and gives the fans heart attacks. Bring him in with less than a 3 run lead and cross your fingers. He as 2 pitches......a straight ( no movement) 93 mph fastball and a 55 foot splitter that he seldom throws and hitters seldom swing at.



Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: November 12, 2011 12:04 am
 

Phillies reach agreement with Papelbon

MRWormtown, no closer deserves this contract, especially one that has pitched a lot of innings over a several year stretch.  Not all closers are like Mariano and have a very long shelf life.  I think he will be effective at first, but by the end of the deal, he is going to prove that he is overpaid.  The Sox were planning to move Bard into the closer's role anyway.  They do need to make changes in Boston after that collapse as well.  Mrwormtown, you also mentioned how he did not have a lot of clean innings.  Well in that juicebox in Philly, that is asking for trouble.  He is one of the better closers in the game, but the Phils are making a big mistake paying him all this money.  Their pitching was NOT the problem in the postseason, but it was their old lineup.  The group that won the WS in 2008 got older fast and lost a few steps.  Even adding a closer that does not have question marks like Lidge will not extend their window to win a title any longer.  There may be a year or two left, but in order for that to happen, they need to improve offensively.  The Marlins are determined to spend and so are the Nats and if the Braves don't have a hangover over their collapse, that is even more competition.  I wish the Mets would have taken him on, but with their money problems, they weren't paying him this amount of dough.



Since: Oct 7, 2006
Posted on: November 11, 2011 11:52 pm
 

Phillies reach agreement with Papelbon

Now Madson understands the downside of having Boras as an agent. Papelbon is worth $6M over 4 yrs more than Madson. Boras cost Madson his tenure in Philly.



Since: Mar 13, 2011
Posted on: November 11, 2011 11:38 pm
 

Phillies reach agreement with Papelbon

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