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Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

Posted on: November 16, 2011 10:17 am
Edited on: November 16, 2011 3:14 pm
 
Albert Pujols

By C. Trent Rosecrans

The Marlins' offer to Albert Pujols is "believed" to be for nine years, Tim Brown of Yahoo Sports reports. However, Brown doesn't have any firm numbers on the money involved, only speculating that it could be worth as much as $225 million. The Palm Beach Post reports the offer is worth less than $200 million.

If that is indeed the case, the Marlins' offer would be more than what the Cardinals have been believed to offer, a nine-year deal worth between $190- $210 million offered in spring training, and could make the bidding for the three-time MVP even more interesting.

Conventional wisdom has been that the Cardinals would win any tie in contract talks, but the Cardinals won't get any substantial "hometown discount." Jerry Crasnick of ESPN.com reports the Cardinals never offered more than $200 million, and being on the right side of that line could make a huge difference.

It could also be a bit of interesting timing that this higher offer is before the Cardinals are expected to meet with Pujols' agent, Dan Lozano, this week, according to Crasnick. The Marlins would have to at least match the years the Cardinals are offering for Pujols, but it seems with offers out to Jose Reyes and Mark Buehrle, the Marlins are looking to spend beyond not just their means, but anyone's means outside the Yankees and Red Sox.

As great as Pujols is -- and make no mistake, he's one o the best players in baseball history -- he may mean more to the Cardinals than any other team, considering his stature in St. Louis and part of two World Series titles in the last decade. Pujols has never played for another organization and is an icon in baseball-mad St. Louis.

"I don't think we need to divorce ourselves from that," Mozeliak told Crasnick. "The fact is, he's an iconic player. He's been the face of this organization for a long time. To deny that or fail to recognize it, I just don't think you're looking at it through the proper set of lenses."

Those lenses could end up costing the Cardinals in the long run -- a nine-year deal means they'll be paying a 40-year-old Pujols quite a bit of money in the last year of the deal, 2020. The Cardinals, perhaps, can deal with that kind of salary for the other benefits, but can anyone else? The South Florida market is notoriously front-running and fickle, unless the new ballpark turns the Marlins into the Yankees, how much business sense does it make for Miami to tie themselves to an aging great, no matter how great?

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Since: Feb 18, 2008
Posted on: November 16, 2011 2:20 pm
 

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

I bet he would!



Since: Feb 18, 2008
Posted on: November 16, 2011 2:19 pm
 

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

First of all, it's Miami Marlins now.  Miami is a large market and so what!  Im sick of hearing these little whiners about "What about the small market team, it's not fair..."  Boo-frickitty-Hoo!  Baseball is the only sport where a salary cap does not exist.  So baseball is about the large markets and it'll be about the large markets as well for the NBA.  It's the owners of small market teams that are holding this deal up only because he/she paid billions to only get thousands in return and possibly loss.  You got to be moron to not realize that large markets equal more money for both players and owners.  It's a no brainer win-win for both which may or may not include endorsement deals for the greatest players.  When the Marlins were in Joe Robbie (originallly named, which only true locals still call it), they were having to pay former owner Huizenga for the parking fees and suites, so essentially the team could never make any money.  Even if a nice size of 30-35K crowd would show-up to the games, the stadium always still looked empty because it's a football stadium which can house up to 95K.  You are all mindless and clueless when it comes to sports and money.  And for the comment about "We shouldn't be paying for past performances"  those are probably the same morons who critize when a team foolishly pays a player out of high school or college $100 million when he hasn't even played a game as a pro and ends up being a dud.  It's a known fact that every player always relaxes on his first or second season in a contract so they don't get injured with the possibilities of being released, they haven't slumped, they're looking out for their future just like you would for you and your families, so why not them.  You always see them playing hard on the final year of their contracts and that's all sports.  Get a clue and get a life, player want to come to Miami and would you.  All you haters wished you could be here in Miami out on a boat on the bay sipping on whatever your likings are.  Get a clue and quit whining.  If you were smart you'd live out here too or probably planning your next vacation here.  See you around chumps!



Since: Nov 7, 2008
Posted on: November 16, 2011 2:14 pm
 

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

Pujols should go on TV and orchestrate: "The Decision II." Like LeBron James did, Pujols should publicly slap the franchise that helped make him a star and announce "he is taking his talents to South Beach."
Only a b$%^ch like Lebron does things like that....



Since: Nov 7, 2008
Posted on: November 16, 2011 2:11 pm
 

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

This is an idiotic contract for any team to offer unless it is severely front loaded, kinda like some of the newer NHL deals.  All one needs to do is look at the A-Roid or Howard or Soriano (Cubs) deals and they can see that paying someone that much for that long is nuts.  Sure, Pujols has been the model of consistency throughout his career and is the face of the franchise, but he has slowed down this year and this will only continue as he ages.  Players don't get better after 31, so why pay them like they do.

If the Marlins want this albatross deal, let em have it.  Cardinals fans should not get angry if he gets away for this kinda deal because if you get him at this rate, the deal will kill you in the future.  

Or, as is the tendancy with the Marlins, just let em sign him for big money up front and then get him in trade during the fire sale next year or the year after.   You might be able to get Reyes too and have them em money on both deals....



Since: Nov 20, 2006
Posted on: November 16, 2011 2:09 pm
 

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

Carpenter and Wainwright are on the books for a ton of money.
Wainwright is signed for 2 years and a total of 21 million.  For a guy who's a Cy Young candidate before his surgery, I don't know if that's a ton of money in the grand scheme of things.  Carpenter is making less money this year than he made last year.  Carpenter's contract is over in two years.  They also have the two highest ranked minor league pitchers in baseball right now with Matt Moore having been called up.


Frese will have to be extended sometime between now and the expiration date on Albert's deal. 
 He won't be a FA for another 5 years.  Arbitration will push his cost up, but not to astronomical amounts, and by then Cox will more than likely be major league ready, or another minor leaguer can be available.


The Cardinals can either commit to four huge salaries and hope to draft and scout well for the next decade, or use that money to build an actual team. 
It will only be two huge salaries after two years unless they resign Wainwright, and if Martinez and Miller pan out, they'll have two aces, and Tyrell Jenkins is projected to be a #4 or #5 starter, but scouts say he can make it as a #3 if he keeps progressing (raw, but arguably the best athlete in the Cardinals minor leagues... played football for Baylor).
 
 Build a new stadium, hire Ozzie, sign Pujols, sign Reyes, sign Buehrle, and it still won't matter.
It doesn't look like Hanley will be around for long if Reyes gets signed.  He does not seem happy about moving from SS, and if I have my choice to play SS, defensively speaking, I'm taking Reyes everyday.

 I ultmately think the Cards should offer six years and $175 - 180 million. Nothing more.
I agree with this.  I can agree with going to 7 years as well, but 8 and 9 years is a frigtening proposition.
 



Since: Apr 28, 2007
Posted on: November 16, 2011 2:07 pm
 

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

The Miami Marlins should make the money first. If the new ballpark draws them in, wait a year or two to start signing people. In that time some of the prospects should be ready or prime and then they are only back filling. By signing Reyes, Buehrle and King Albert they will be broke in a few years and have to peddle their future once again.



Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: November 16, 2011 1:59 pm
 

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

The Marlins have actually done a decent job of recognizing their one year to make money in their new stadium.

First, b/c it is new, everyone down here will want to go, at least once, in order to be able to say they have been there.  Yes that is shallow but so are most of the people here.

Second, if they have both a new stadium and a good team, that will carry them further into this year b/c all the bandwagon hoppers will then want to go to teh games.  Again, its shallow, but that is the reality of this market.  So, maybe they front-end load a deal to Pujols, know ing that they will probably have the $ this year, pay him some huge signing bonus and a lot the first year and pay less down the road.  With that sort of deal they might be able to swing it.



Since: Feb 6, 2008
Posted on: November 16, 2011 1:51 pm
 

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

Pujols should go on TV and orchestrate: "The Decision II." Like LeBron James did, Pujols should publicly slap the franchise that helped make him a star and announce "he is taking his talents to South Beach."



Since: Nov 20, 2006
Posted on: November 16, 2011 1:51 pm
 

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

Don't forget there is NO state tax in FL too. At 5% that is another $1 Mil  million per year. 2.5 per year over nine years, Would you walk away from 20 mil?
A couple things.  Cost of living in and around Miami is much more than 5% greater than living in St. Louis.  For instance lowest gas price in Miami right now is 3.29.  The AVERAGE in St. Louis right now is 3.11, with the cheapest being 2.94.  You can buy a mansion with larger sq ft in extremely nice neighborhoods for half of what you can buy in Miami.  You can find simple cost of living calculators online and if you're making 20 million a year in St. Louis, it's like making just under 17 million in Miami (much more than 5% difference).  






Since: Sep 5, 2006
Posted on: November 16, 2011 1:31 pm
 

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

I don't think either team should offer Pujols nine years. It's absurd.
First, the Cardinals. While they're not on the corner shaking their tin cup, they also are not printing money like the Yankees and Red Sox. Holliday is locked up to a big contract. Carpenter and Wainwright are on the books for a ton of money. Frese will have to be extended sometime between now and the expiration date on Albert's deal. So will a host of other valuable players that they probably don't want to use. The Cardinals can either commit to four huge salaries and hope to draft and scout well for the next decade, or use that money to build an actual team. They've done a superb job thus far, but can they keep it going?
Now, the Marlins. Come on. I repeat...come on. Build a new stadium, hire Ozzie, sign Pujols, sign Reyes, sign Buehrle, and it still won't matter. No one in Florida cares. They never will. The Heat had to disguise all the empty seats and that was with LeBron and Bosh coming aboard.
I ultmately think the Cards should offer six years and $175 - 180 million. Nothing more.


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