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Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

Posted on: November 16, 2011 10:17 am
Edited on: November 16, 2011 3:14 pm
Albert Pujols

By C. Trent Rosecrans

The Marlins' offer to Albert Pujols is "believed" to be for nine years, Tim Brown of Yahoo Sports reports. However, Brown doesn't have any firm numbers on the money involved, only speculating that it could be worth as much as $225 million. The Palm Beach Post reports the offer is worth less than $200 million.

If that is indeed the case, the Marlins' offer would be more than what the Cardinals have been believed to offer, a nine-year deal worth between $190- $210 million offered in spring training, and could make the bidding for the three-time MVP even more interesting.

Conventional wisdom has been that the Cardinals would win any tie in contract talks, but the Cardinals won't get any substantial "hometown discount." Jerry Crasnick of reports the Cardinals never offered more than $200 million, and being on the right side of that line could make a huge difference.

It could also be a bit of interesting timing that this higher offer is before the Cardinals are expected to meet with Pujols' agent, Dan Lozano, this week, according to Crasnick. The Marlins would have to at least match the years the Cardinals are offering for Pujols, but it seems with offers out to Jose Reyes and Mark Buehrle, the Marlins are looking to spend beyond not just their means, but anyone's means outside the Yankees and Red Sox.

As great as Pujols is -- and make no mistake, he's one o the best players in baseball history -- he may mean more to the Cardinals than any other team, considering his stature in St. Louis and part of two World Series titles in the last decade. Pujols has never played for another organization and is an icon in baseball-mad St. Louis.

"I don't think we need to divorce ourselves from that," Mozeliak told Crasnick. "The fact is, he's an iconic player. He's been the face of this organization for a long time. To deny that or fail to recognize it, I just don't think you're looking at it through the proper set of lenses."

Those lenses could end up costing the Cardinals in the long run -- a nine-year deal means they'll be paying a 40-year-old Pujols quite a bit of money in the last year of the deal, 2020. The Cardinals, perhaps, can deal with that kind of salary for the other benefits, but can anyone else? The South Florida market is notoriously front-running and fickle, unless the new ballpark turns the Marlins into the Yankees, how much business sense does it make for Miami to tie themselves to an aging great, no matter how great?

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Since: Dec 22, 2009
Posted on: November 16, 2011 4:13 pm

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years


Since: Sep 28, 2010
Posted on: November 16, 2011 4:10 pm

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

I would actually consider driving 4 hours south to see the Marlins play with a lineup of Reyes, Ramirez, Sanchez, Pujols, Stanton. That lineup would make the Red Sox look like the Mariners.

Since: Nov 7, 2008
Posted on: November 16, 2011 4:09 pm

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

STL from July to August is some of the nastiest weather around.  Florida, without the hurricanes.  

This is an idiotic move for either franchise.  If I was in the Marlin Gm or Moz's shoes and you feel you need to offer this deal, front load the deal and make sure those last 5 years are option years, going from player to team each year.   If not, you will be stuck with an old, fat, falling apart 1B who is taking up more than 1/4 of your payroll and not producing anymore.  You know, Alfonso Soriano or Alex Rodriguez. 

Since: Jan 10, 2010
Posted on: November 16, 2011 4:07 pm

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

nothing to see here....pujols is a lock to sign w/ the cards, end of story. i think it was in pujols best business decision to entertain at least 1 offer from another team just to see if he could squeeze anymore money from the cardinals. the cardinals called the bluff and it time to quit dancing and get this contract signed already. the real question is where prince fielder end up....not pujols where pujols signs.

Since: Sep 28, 2010
Posted on: November 16, 2011 4:06 pm

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

Don't forget that Florida has no state income tax. 200 Million in Florida could be close to a $ 500,000 savings per year compared to 200 million in St. Louis. 

Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: November 16, 2011 3:58 pm

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

Why are people complaining about Pujols' numbers? He played in 12 less games than the year before and the numbers were slightly down. Did anybody complain when he followed up a 49 home run  year with 32 dingers?

I like Pujols and think he'd be great in the Marlins' lineup, but they already have Sanchez at first. What do they do with him if they sign Pujols? I definitely wouldn't sign a veteran player to such a long-term contract.

Since: Sep 28, 2006
Posted on: November 16, 2011 3:58 pm

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

It is a bit of an awkward situation because Albert is a prideful man and wants to be treated, e.g. paid, like the HOFer that he is.  On the other hand, he wants many years on this deal even though he can't prove that he'll be worth the big paychecks later on in the contract. 

First, with regard to the pride, I get confused when folks talk about him being "all about the money" now.  When you combine the merchandising he creates and the butts in the seats or watching TV with his on-field production, he produces a ton of revenue + baseball production.  I have a hard time faulting him for wanting to be paid like the baseball giant that he is given the market system of which he is a part.  Basically, it's not his fault that players of his stature get ridiculous amounts of money.  If he isn't worth it to the Cardinals, Mo will let him walk.  That is the free agent system at it's best.  I hope he stays, but not at $27M/yr for 9 years or anything crazy like that. 

But I want to mention something because I think it is important for folks to keep in mind as they consider his situation; Albert and Deidre Pujols are incredibly philanthropic.  They spend their time, money and energy to benefit several charities, including their family foundation, and are especially giving to those that provide research and support for Down Syndrome because of their daughter Isabella.  So when he thinks of leaving millions on the table, he and his wife are probably fretting over all the good they could've done with that money if they hadn't "been so selfish" as to walk away from a bigger deal for his legacy or their comfort in St. Louis.  I'm sure many of you will immediately deride that statement as BS, but that's the kind of folks they are.  They are VERY Christian and apply a high moral standard to how they conduct themselves even when it comes to their wealth.  (Remember, we had Kurt and Brenda Warner here too.  They are the same way.) 

I'm not saying they give every nickle to charity.  But when you ask rhetorically, "How much is enough?" keep in mind that all of the excess can do a ton of good given their motivations.

Since: Sep 3, 2008
Posted on: November 16, 2011 3:39 pm

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

Gee, when did Luria become G. Steinbrenner????? Where is ALL this "supposed" money coming from? If he had access to all this money why didn't he pay for his own stadium instead of having the politicians getting rich on construction kickbacks? Why wasn't the stadium deal put up for a public vote? Why? Because it would have been voted down! Luria has been "hoodwinking" folks since he was given the Expos and still at it! He's is a crook and only stayed here because his other attempts at going elsewhere were shot down!!! If it were up to me he would have been sent packing years ago. If you can't afford a team you don't get one. Seems to work for everyone else but him.....

Since: Sep 2, 2006
Posted on: November 16, 2011 3:39 pm

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

Hey dude, try knowing what you are talking about before posting. Miami qill be playing in a stadium with a retractable roof. When closed, they will have the A/C on. The temp on the field in St. Louis can reach 130 degrees in July and August. Where do you think is will be hotter?

Since: Nov 9, 2011
Posted on: November 16, 2011 3:32 pm

Report: Marlins offer Pujols 9 years

The Florida Pujols. And to think you could buy a starting rotation for a 1B. I'm glad to see the Marlin brass is not in a recession. I guess MLB will have to bail them out when they can't afford payroll!

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