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Weak Hall ballot good news for Larkin

Posted on: November 30, 2011 2:56 pm
Edited on: November 30, 2011 4:45 pm
 
Barry Larkin

By C. Trent Rosecrans

Get your indignation ready, as the 2012 Hall of Fame ballot has been mailed to the voting member of the Baseball Writers' Association of America. 

The 13 new players on the ballot this season are Bernie Williams, Bill Mueller, Ruben Sierra, Vinny Castilla, Tim Salmon, Javy Lopez, Tony Womack, Terry Mulholland, Brad Radke, Jeromy Burnitz, Brian Jordan, Eric Young and Phil Nevin. None of those really seem to have much of a chance to earn the 75 percent necessary to gain enshrinement, which is good news for Barry Larkin.

Hall of Fame

Last year Roberto Alomoar (90 percent) and Bert Blyleven (79.7 percent) got in, leaving Larkin as the highest vote-getter not to reach 75 percent. Larkin received 361 votes (62.1 percent) in his second year of eligibility, while Jack Morris (53.5 percent) was the only other player to receive at least 50 percent of the votes.

Larkin's strong showing in 2011 suggests he could get the requisite bump in his third year to get to 75 percent, but it could be close.

Players not elected can stay on the ballot for as many as 15 years, as long as they receive at least five percent of the vote.

In addition to the newcomers, Larkin and Morris, the other players on the ballot are Jeff Bagwell, Juan Gonzalez, Edgar Martinez, Don Mattingly, Fred McGriff, Mark McGwire, Dale Murphy, Rafael Palmeiro, Tim Raines, Lee Smith, Alan Trammell and Larry Walker.

Members of the BBWAA with 10 or more years of continuous active membership are eligible to vote, including CBSSports.com's Danny Knobler and Scott Miller.

Next year's ballot will bring more conversation and controversy, as the biggest names of the steroid era appear on the ballot, including Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Mike Piazza and Sammy Sosa, in addition to Curt Schilling and Craig Biggio. 

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Comments

Since: Sep 14, 2006
Posted on: December 1, 2011 9:18 am
 

Weak Hall ballot good news for Larkin

Sorry, Alex would say you lost. The correct question to your particular question would be, "Who is Wayne Gretzky, Alex?"



Since: Dec 1, 2009
Posted on: December 1, 2011 5:02 am
 

Weak Hall ballot good news for Larkin

doc-man wrote: " The title of greatest player who had anything to do with Canada might get you into the HOCKEY hall of fame. Wrong sport, hoser."
Not even that. The winning question is "Who is Gordie Howe, Alex?" 



Since: Dec 1, 2009
Posted on: December 1, 2011 5:01 am
 

Weak Hall ballot good news for Larkin

doc-man wrote: " The title of greatest player who had anything to do with Canada might get you into the HOCKEY hall of fame. Wrong sport, hoser."
Not even that. The winning question is "Who would be Gordie Howe, Alex." 



Since: Apr 21, 2008
Posted on: December 1, 2011 2:39 am
 

Weak Hall ballot good news for Larkin

Don't think I buy Mattingly as a HOFer...look at his career statistics.  He's definitely above average, but not remarkably so.  If he played on any team but the Yankees we wouldn't even be having this conversation.  And I don't think it's a legitimate argument to say "well he was one of the best hitters of his generation he just wasn't healthy enough to get the stats".  At some point you have to fall back on the numbers, otherwise we might as well elect Mark Prior as 'one of the best arms of his generation'.

Larkin is in the same boat, though he did play a more premium position.

Don't know how you leave out Jack Morris, the "winningest" pitcher of the 80's, and the man who had arguably the best appearance in a world series game in the history of baseball.


The rest are borderline, though I'm one of those people who believes the steroid players should get in.  That was the game then, we shouldn't pretend it didn't exist and let people whitewash history.  They should be present there in all their tarnished glory as the best players of the steroid generation.




Since: Oct 11, 2006
Posted on: December 1, 2011 2:38 am
 

Weak Hall ballot good news for Larkin

Larkin's getting in this year. You've got to look at a player's accomplishments against his peers. He played the SS position with stellar defense and a bat a notch above the competition for over a decade at a ime when SS/2B was like a hole in the lineup. Bernie Williams is a funny case. I always hoped he'd get his due. Great as his numbers were, he was even better if you watched him. He and Paul O'Neill always terrified me as a Mariners fan, and Bernie was arguably as good a CF in the game as Griffey and Kenny Lofton for about a 5-6 year heyday. I don't think that makes him HOF material, exactly, but I would vote for him if I could having seen him. Just one of those players you've got to see to appreciate, his career stats don't do him justice (hey, how about David Justice? Is he on a ballot anywhere?). Biggio's getting in first ballott, he had 3,000 hits, that's a sure thing, especially with his defense at an unprecedented C, 2B and CF. The Don Mattingly case is tough, because there are several guys out there like him who dominated for a 5-year stretch and then fell off. Someone mentioned Dale Murphy, and that's spot on, but Darryl Strawberry, Cecil Fielder and Eric Davis are three others from Mattingly's own era. I won't bother getting into the steroids guys beginning with Jose Canseco now, it's too much of a headache arguing.



Since: Sep 14, 2006
Posted on: November 30, 2011 11:42 pm
 

Weak Hall ballot good news for Larkin

It's a disgrace that Don Mattingly is not already in the hall of fame and an additional disgrace that in this weak ballot year he won't finally get his deserved entry into the hall. Anyone that watched baseball during the mid-80's to the early 90's knew that Donnie Baseball, Wade Boggs and Tony Guinn were the 3 best hitters in the game. The other 2 easily made it to the hall of fame. People claim that Mattingly's injuries prevented him from staying on top long enough to qualify. Look at the players that have made it in recent years, hitters specifically, and tell me who you'd rather have on your team or up in a clutch spot... that player or Mattingly. He belongs in the hall. Writers do the honorable thing and finally give the man his well earned dessert. 



Since: Aug 5, 2007
Posted on: November 30, 2011 9:31 pm
 

Weak Hall ballot good news for Larkin

Of the 13 that are named I can honestly say that I did not have more than 2 of these players on my Fantasy Teams during their prime.   There will be those that will say my Team must have stunk but I ended up 1-2-3 in most of the 12 Team leagues.

These guys are not HOFs.   They are uys that would be nice to add to my over 30 Summer baseball team.



Since: Aug 30, 2006
Posted on: November 30, 2011 8:40 pm
 

Weak Hall ballot good news for Larkin

Lets hear it for Dale Murphy!!!!!!! Lets get him in



Since: Sep 11, 2007
Posted on: November 30, 2011 6:52 pm
 

Weak Hall ballot good news for Larkin

The title of greatest player who had anything to do with Canada might get you into the HOCKEY hall of fame.  Wrong sport, hoser.



Since: Jan 2, 2010
Posted on: November 30, 2011 6:46 pm
 

Weak Hall ballot good news for Larkin

Larkin will probably get in, which is a weak pick. Next year should be Biggio. The year after that Maddux & Thomas. and the following two years.. Johnson and Griffey. That's enough.
It's just impossible that all these "First Ballot" Hall of Famers will get elected First Ballot in the next few years.
 The ones above seem to have no problems with the media.   



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