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Homegrown Team: Toronto Blue Jays

Posted on: December 3, 2011 4:15 pm
 


By C. Trent Rosecrans


What if players were only permitted to stay with the team that originally made them a professional? No trades, no Rule-5 Draft, no minor or major league free agency ... once you are a professional baseball player, you stay in that organization. This series shows how all 30 teams would look. We give you: Homegrown teams. To view the schedule/past entries of this feature, click here.

The American League East is the biggest, baddest division in baseball -- in large part because of the deep pockets of the Yankees and Red Sox, but also because of the drafting and development from the Rays. Somewhere in the middle is the Blue Jays, a team that could be a giant in maybe any other division in baseball. In our exercise, the Blue Jays have an argument as one of the best teams in baseball, largely because of a stout rotation.

Lineup

1. Reed Johnson, CF
2. Aaron Hill, 2B
3. Michael Young, 1B
4. Adam Lind, DH
5. Vernon Wells, LF
6. Alex Rios, RF
7. Ryan Roberts 3B
8. J.P. Arencibia, C
9. Cesar Izturis, SS

Starting Rotation

1. Roy Halladay
2. Chris Carpenter
3. Ricky Romero
4. Shaun Marcum
5. Alfredo Aceves

Bullpen

Closer - Brandon League
Set up - Marc Rzepczynski, Tim Collins, Brandon Lyon, Dustin McGowan, Casey Janssen
Long - Jesse Litsch

Notable Bench Players

Orlando Hudson, Felipe Lopez, Casey Blake, Travis Snider, Eric Thames.

What's Good?

That rotation, are you kidding?

What's Not?

There's Rios and Wells -- two of the most overpaid players in the game. Those two are not just overpaid, they're also not very good. Eric Thames could step in for either one. There are some decent players on the bench, but not a lot of pop.

Comparison to real 2011

The 81-81 season was seen as a step forward for the Blue Jays in 2011, but with this lineup the expectations would be much, much higher. The rotation alone makes this team the favorite in the AL East in our hypothetical. The offense lacks the impact of Jose Bautista, but there's enough to support the pitching staff. Not only is this team better than the real Blue Jays, they have a shot at winning it all.

Next: Colorado Rockies

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Comments

Since: Jun 17, 2008
Posted on: December 3, 2011 7:41 pm
 

Homegrown Team: Toronto Blue Jays

Just to continue on from my previos post, Halladay xfip is about .80 runs better than kennedy's, Carps xfip would be over a run and a half better while using hughes last healthy season 2010 and comparing it to carps 2010 would equal a .43 difference. Nova fip is slightly better than  romero's but his xfip is .30 runs less. Karstens xfip is about .11 less than marcums, and wang and aceves are equal i guess but wang obviosly has the better upside. I was also wrong before as i counted frabeck as a jays prospect, so as far as i know Deck McGuire is their only top 100 pitcher and prospect. Additionally the yankees would have the better farm system with lawrie darnoud, and drabeck all gone.



Since: Jun 17, 2008
Posted on: December 3, 2011 7:12 pm
 

Homegrown Team: Toronto Blue Jays

"Yeah, we really would be. If the Evil Empire and the Yankees didn't both buy all the talent AND the Jays management didn't consistently get in its own way, the Jays would have a great chance to be a contender. Shame, really." Just a heads up it would take two yankees cano and gardner to have a higher combined war than the entire jays lineup. Meaning that this jays team has a pretty weak offense/ defense combo. If you want to look at offense seperatly it be a bit tricky as a third of the yankees lineup arent regulars yet, but of the the regulars soriano is better than lind, by a .01 woba margin, melky is better than rios by a ,083 margin, cano is better hill by a .083 margin,

reed johnson is better by a .024 margin, but jeter is better than izzy by a .122 margin which is by far the largest dfference. Jackson is ahead of wells by .029, which is about the same as the difference between roberts and nunez who barely played last year. Then it's pretty much cervali vs arencibia, i wont consider cervali leading because his lack of playing time but he has put similiar number to what arencibia has done so far. Montero barely played but should be considered to at least equal youngs .369 in the near future. SO to summarize the yankees lineup/ defense is much better than the jays the yankees would also have the better pen. And 3 pitchers in baseballs top 100 vs two on the jays ( i think). The jays would have a better one and 2 pitcher but carp is 36 and has injury problems, and marcum is barely better than karstens.



Since: May 4, 2008
Posted on: December 3, 2011 7:03 pm
 

Homegrown Team: Toronto Blue Jays

3-5 suck?  Romero and Marcum suck?  And this is coming from a guy who's team decides to run with Matsuzaka, Lackey, Wakefield or whatever other retreads and rejects they can find for their rotation.  Maybe when 'REDSOX FAN' thinks Lackey, he thinks 'champion'...but maybe he's also a know nothing moron.



Since: Dec 3, 2011
Posted on: December 3, 2011 6:29 pm
 

Homegrown Team: Toronto Blue Jays

Why not give these rosters to Strato-matic and ask them to simulate a full season.  Then we can see which team would come out on top.



Since: May 18, 2009
Posted on: December 3, 2011 6:27 pm
 

Homegrown Team: Toronto Blue Jays

With that lineup, the Jays would be in the most 1 run games in MLB history.



Since: Jun 17, 2008
Posted on: December 3, 2011 6:23 pm
 

Homegrown Team: Toronto Blue Jays

Aceves wouldnt even play for the jays,he'd be out of baseball if not for the yankees.



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: December 3, 2011 6:10 pm
 

Homegrown Team: Toronto Blue Jays

Lets not over hype this rotation. 3-5 suck. who are we kidding. Carpenter has his games if he stays healthy. And the lineup is average. AND AS A REDSOX FAN ARE YOU SERIOUS?! FAV IN THE AL EAST????
Yeah, we really would be. If the Evil Empire and the Yankees didn't both buy all the talent AND the Jays management didn't consistently get in its own way, the Jays would have a great chance to be a contender. Shame, really.

I do think you're right that Toronto will never win in our lifetimes. Guess I'll have to settle for watching the Evil Empire choke away a playoff spot on the last day of the season. Not going to lie, that was awesome.



Since: Jun 15, 2010
Posted on: December 3, 2011 5:37 pm
 

Homegrown Team: Toronto Blue Jays

THE SOBER COMMENT IS IN RESPONSE TO RED SOX FAN



Since: Jun 15, 2010
Posted on: December 3, 2011 5:33 pm
 

Homegrown Team: Toronto Blue Jays

a problem getting those guys out? maybe if they are sober( not likely). RAYS RULE!



Since: Sep 1, 2006
Posted on: December 3, 2011 5:32 pm
 

Homegrown Team: Toronto Blue Jays

A little bit surprised at some of the picks for the pen: Brandon Lyon and Dustin McGowan over Brett Cecil, Henderson Alvarez and Joel Carreno?

I guess with those starters though - who cares, right? :)


The offense would definitely be an enigma - a lot of inconsistent players in that line-up who have had some good seasons and some epically bad ones. I would imagine though that even if just one of Aaron Hill, Vernon Wells, Alex Rios, Travis Snider, etc had a good year (i.e. one where they actually live up to their potential) this team would definitely be on the championship radar.

 


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