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Marlins' Ramirez still mum about move to third

Posted on: December 16, 2011 11:16 pm
 
Hanley Ramirez

By C. Trent Rosecrans


It sounds like the Marlins are doing everything they can to help Hanley Ramirez adjust to the thought of playing third base -- or trying to drive up the price for him by making it appear they aren't looking to trade the disgruntled former shortstop who has been pushed aside for free-agent signee Jose Reyes.

"It may take a little time for him to get comfortable" with the idea of moving, Marlins president Larry Beinfest told the Miami Herald's Barry Jackson.

Beinfest said he wouldn't divulge specifics about his discussions with Ramirez, but did note that he's talked to Ramirez quite a bit. He notes Ramirez is excited to play for new manager Ozzie Guillen, who may just have to convince him to man up and accept the move. Beinfest said it much nicer, noting Ramirez's "pride."

"Even though we communicated with him and let him know what our intentions were in terms of Jose, he was the shortstop for six years, a very good one," Beinfest said. "We've asked him to move to third. Sometimes it takes a little time for things to sink in. I think he realizes we're a better team with Jose."

It's pretty hard not to come to that conclusion. Ramirez has looked more and more like a third baseman, physically, in recent years and the 28-year-old Reyes is easily superior to Ramirez defensively -- and even if the two were equal, Ramirez is more suited to third than Reyes.

An official told Jackson that the team isn't pressuring Ramirez, but would like him to publicly announce he was willing to move, but it's still two months before pitchers and catchers report, so there's no real hurry to do so -- or hurt his feelings by pressing the situation. The team can let Guillen talk to him and slowly sell him on the idea.

One person who hasn't talked to Ramirez is Reyes.

"I think he wants to be here," Reyes told Jackson. "He wants to win. I want to win, too. Hanley is one of the best players in the game. We are very good friends. I'm going to tell him I'm very excited to play with him. I think we can be one of the best left sides of the infields in history."

The Yankees had the same problem -- if you call two superstars on one team a "problem" -- when Alex Rodriguez joined the team and deferred to the incumbent, Derek Jeter at short. That worked out, in part because one player put his ego aside (if even temporarily) to make the move. If Ramirez won't do that, the Marlins could be stuck with another pouting star and appear desperate to deal him. If they keep his pouting under wraps and remain steadfast in their public stance that he'll be fine, they get a semblance of leverage in a trade. Otherwise, he's a player without a position and an attitude problem -- both things that hurt his trade value.

In the end, it looks like this will all work out, but there's two months until anyone's actually in uniform, so this is what we have to talk about.

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Comments

Since: Dec 20, 2006
Posted on: December 30, 2011 5:12 pm
 

Marlins' Ramirez still mum about move to third

Reyes attitude is no better than Hanleys.I always respected Reyes & thought of him as a future HOF'r.Then, on the last game of the season he clinched the batting title on his first at bat.He then TOLD his manager he was all done for the day.Screw the fans who came to the game to see Reyes in his last game as a Met.Jose Reyes is a coniving quitter nas the Marlins will soon find out.Hanley Ramirez is cut from the same cloth & it's just a matter of time before Reyes runs him out of town.
So based upon him sitting out the remainder of a one meaningless game, he becomes a conniving quitter? Is there are other examples you have of him quitting?



Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: December 28, 2011 4:46 am
 

Marlins' Ramirez still mum about move to third

I agree 100% & I hope Bobby V does the same thing in Boston.He seems like a hard ass & maybe that's just what those babies need after last years debacle.Valentine is 61 & took the job for 1 reason.Not money, he was doing fine at ESPN.I think he took the job because it's a talented team that could win him a championship.Also, I don't think he'll be here more than 3 years so he's not here to make friends.
I wonder what Ozzie thinks about a Ramirez for Buchholz trade.



Since: Oct 19, 2007
Posted on: December 27, 2011 9:00 am
 

Marlins' Ramirez still mum about move to third

Christheyankee - Do you think Ozzie Guillen will allow Hanley ramirez to act like he did last year?  I highly doubt it.  Ozzie has no problem telling Ramirez to shut up and play or sit the bench.  If that's what Ramirez needs then so be it.  He needs to eat some humble pie and Ozzie is just the man to make him do it!



Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: December 25, 2011 12:07 pm
 

Marlins' Ramirez still mum about move to third

There is no way these 2 ego's can co-exist.They have both been prima donna's their entire career & the state of Florida isn't big enough for both of them.I'm sure management is aware of it & plan on trading Hanley for a good starting pitcher.Like Clay Buchholz for example.



Since: Jun 5, 2009
Posted on: December 24, 2011 10:40 am
 

Marlins' Ramirez still mum about move to third

Reyes is without a doubt the better defensive SS in terms of all three factors:  range, glove, arm/accuracy.
Hanley should welcome, he should totally embrace the addition of Reyes.
The Marlins have a much better chance to win with Jose and Hanley in the same lineup.
Hopefully, Hanley will do more than just accept the move, --- he should embrace it with all due enthusiasm.




Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: December 24, 2011 8:35 am
 

Marlins' Ramirez still mum about move to third

Reyes attitude is no better than Hanleys.I always respected Reyes & thought of him as a future HOF'r.Then, on the last game of the season he clinched the batting title on his first at bat.He then TOLD his manager he was all done for the day.Screw the fans who came to the game to see Reyes in his last game as a Met.Jose Reyes is a coniving quitter nas the Marlins will soon find out.Hanley Ramirez is cut from the same cloth & it's just a matter of time before Reyes runs him out of town.



Since: Jun 13, 2008
Posted on: December 22, 2011 12:26 pm
 

Marlins' Ramirez still mum about move to third

After the way Hanley Ramirez acted last year,showing a general lack of enthusiasm & respect for the game by not hustling & giving 100% on the field;does anyone seriously expect this 'kid' to man up & do what's best for the team now?In my opinion the only person who could persuade him to move to 3rd or the OF is Ozzie Guillen.I think this is going to play out for everyone's entertainment in Spring Training.At that point his trade value is shot & the Marlins will get held up without a gun looking for a serviceable 3B.You could say what you want about Ozzie Guillen,the Manager;but he's not gonna play a player who is not going with his program.If that means benching him for a game or so,then that's what it means.This Beinfest is only in it for the money.Like a huge majority of Sports owners,they don't care if they win or lose,they just want to make as much money as they can.If you asked all of them the question:Would you rather win the World Series or make twice as much money as you & your accountants projected?If they were honest,I'm sure a mind-blowing number of them would answer the latter,make twice the amount of money we projected.They'd never be honest because that's not popular.From a Jack Nichalson movie:"You can't handle the truth!"Only if you gave him a whole lot of money would Hanley move to 3rd Base.



Since: Jun 13, 2008
Posted on: December 22, 2011 11:30 am
 

Marlins' Ramirez still mum about move to third

O.K.Miami Boy & last year Jose Reyes won the NL Batting Title.So your point is?



Since: Jan 21, 2008
Posted on: December 21, 2011 4:09 pm
 

Marlins' Ramirez still mum about move to third

And in addition to support my previous message.  Ramirez is listed at 230 lbs and 6-3 where as Reyes is listed at 6-1 and 200 lbs.  Ramirez's defense at SS (UZR/150 for 2010 & 2011 was -12.4 & -10.2) and Reyes defense at SS (UZR/150 for 2010 & 2011 was -5.7 & -3.6) clearer shows that Reyes is a better defensive fielder than Ramirez and further shows that it's likely that Ramirez has out grown the SS position and is better suited at 3B.



Since: Dec 7, 2011
Posted on: December 20, 2011 4:58 pm
 

Marlins' Ramirez still mum about move to third

Three years ago he won the batting title..


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