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Blue Jays', Yankees' bids on Darvish reported

Posted on: December 20, 2011 9:55 pm
Edited on: December 22, 2011 7:43 am
 
By Matt Snyder

Monday night, we found out the Rangers placed the highest bid on highly-coveted Japanese pitcher Yu Darvish, a bid that was in excess of $51.7 million. Between the posting deadline and the revelation that the Rangers won, we heard a small handful of teams that were said to have placed a bid on Darvish: The Rangers, Blue Jays, Cubs and Yankees were the most named ballclubs. We know the Rangers' bid. Tuesday, we saw reports of two others.

Darvish to Texas
The Yankees put in a bid, but evidently not a very serious one. The bid by the Bronx Bombers was less than $20 million, according to ESPN New York. Many Chicago-area reporters have speculated the Cubs did something very similar. The bids basically say that they'd welcome Darvish with open arms if other teams didn't get nuts in the bidding, but had no intention of coughing up anywhere near $50 million-plus.

The Blue Jays were reportedly not in that camp. [UPDATE: CBSSports.com's Jon Heyman has heard otherwise.]

The Jays reportedly posted over $50 million, according to TheStar.com, and if that was the case, they barely lost out on landing the rights to negotiating with Darvish.

“I understand the passion and the interest levels in our team,” Blue Jays general manager Alex Anthopoulos said (TheStar.com). “I have people come up to me in the street every day. It’s on us to provide a winning product. That’s what you want, but we want to make sure it’s done the right way.”

It's interesting to note the Jays were reportedly fully prepared to spend over $100 million -- the player is certainly going to want something in the ballpark of the posting fee, after all -- in this case. Might it be a precursor to going hard after a certain slugging first baseman? We'll see ...

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brian8ball
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Posted on: December 22, 2011 11:46 pm
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Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 21, 2011 7:42 pm
 

Blue Jays', Yankees' bids on Darvish reported

Wow. You just can't do math or run a . Pay out an ADDITIONAL $25M on a posting fee to get to $75M and it won't hurt your team's salary cap? Last time I checked, baseball teams were a business than like to make profits. $25M isn't pocket change. Spend that on the posting fee and you wouldn't have to worry about a luxury tax hit, just an operating expense hit. You can easily use the $75M towards a $65M contract for a proven commodity and the additional $10M towards a luxury tax hit if you really wanted to. Good move by the Jays.

I cant do math or don't know how to run a business?  I've spent most of my life working for myself fella, so you're wrong.

I believe Rogers communications is the company that owns the Jays, and they've done pretty well lately.  I believe Rogers grossed 14 billion dollars last year alone, double the 7 billion dollars they grossed about 5 years earlier.  And I believe they recently partnered with another telecom giant to purchase the Leafs and Raptors for about 1 billion dollars????  Yeah, those are pretty impressive numbers.

Listen man, learn something before you insult my post.  25 million dollars to Rogers is a lot less then a cup of coffee for you and I. No, successful businesses just don't throw away 25 million dollars but in the overall realm of things it IS "pocket change" to a corporation like that.  And when you're talking about potentially acquiring a superstar pitcher for a team that just doesn't come close to competing with other large market teams when it comes to big name free agents, it's a no brainer.

I never once said I thought Darvish was the answer for anybody.  I simply stated that it's my opinion the Jays are full of crap and that no, they didn't do their best to land this kid.   If you're the Yankees you can afford to try and squeeze your way in there.  If it works, fantastic.  If it doesn't you move on and wait for the next big name that becomes available and go after him.  The Jays don't have that luxury. 



Since: Feb 26, 2009
Posted on: December 21, 2011 4:23 pm
 

Blue Jays', Yankees' bids on Darvish reported

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Since: Aug 8, 2008
Posted on: December 21, 2011 4:18 pm
 

Blue Jays', Yankees' bids on Darvish reported

Wow. You just can't do math or run a business. Pay out an ADDITIONAL $25M on a posting fee to get to $75M and it won't hurt your team's salary cap? Last time I checked, baseball teams were a business than like to make profits. $25M isn't pocket change. Spend that on the posting fee and you wouldn't have to worry about a luxury tax hit, just an operating expense hit. You can easily use the $75M towards a $65M contract for a proven commodity and the additional $10M towards a luxury tax hit if you really wanted to. Good move by the Jays.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 21, 2011 3:04 pm
 

Blue Jays', Yankees' bids on Darvish reported

hey wings1969, you're usually a pretty well informed dude, so maybe you can inform me about this "salary Cap" you're talking about. i think the Jays ARE trying to become big market again. remember,when we won those world Series we were #1 in  and so many americans accused us of "buying" the world Series. how times changeCool

Guelphfan.  MLB has a "soft cap" which basically means teams are technically allowed to spend x amount of dollars but are allowed to go over that number.  Any team that goes over has to pay a "luxury tax" which is basically a penalty the league imposes on teams that spend more then they're supposed to.  The Yankees couldn't care less so they always go way over but I think 90 percent of teams have no interest in going over and paying this tax.

The reason I got on the Jays for not overspending to get this guy ( if they really believe he's the man) is because the fee they were paying the Japaneese team does not count against the salary cap.  His contract of course will count, but the Jays could have bid any amount of money and not worried about it counting against the cap or hurting their chances to sign other players in the process.

People on here continue to say the Jays gave it their best shot but I still say that's crap..... people on here are saying because it was a silent auction nobody would have had a clue what the winning bid would be, but that's crap as well.

Before the bidding began, I read in not one but probably 5 places on the net and heard from sportscasters on at least 2 networks on TV the winning team would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 to 75 million dollars.  Miraculously the winning team was a little over 50 million?  No.  Not a coincidence at all.  

The Jays knew from inside chatter approximately what the winning number would be and tried to squeeze in there.  My point is if you REALLY WANT this guy and if he's REALLY going to be a superstar, then blow everybody away with a 75 million dollar bid and call it a day.  If you bid 75 million which is at or near the top of what the winning bid was expected to be, then and only then can you say you gave it your best.  When you bid near the minimum of what was expected you can't say you gave it your best.

This wasn't a time for the Jays to try and save money or spend as little as they can.... in my opinion they blew it.  



Since: Jan 6, 2007
Posted on: December 21, 2011 1:53 pm
 

Blue Jays', Yankees' bids on Darvish reported

ya know, its a silent auction, meaning nobody knows what the other teams are bidding. Sure the Jays could have bid $100 Million, but what if the Rangers had bid $101 Million? I mean, hindsight is 20/20 right?

Jays put in a solid effort though and for all we know, the Jays posted even higher then the Boston bid for Dice K. As long as they keep being aggressive making this team better, and they show they are willing to spend when they are after someone, thats good for me. Either way, the Jays have improved over the start of last season already, and any other moves will only make em better. Jays prime focus now has to be a #2 pitcher and a big bat to protect Bautista, plus whatever small pieces AA wants to add to shore up the bullpen.




Since: Oct 16, 2007
Posted on: December 21, 2011 12:58 pm
 

Blue Jays', Yankees' bids on Darvish reported

hey wings1969, you're usually a pretty well informed dude, so maybe you can inform me about this "salary Cap" you're talking about. i think the Jays ARE trying to become big market again. remember,when we won those world Series we were #1 in payroll and so many americans accused us of "buying" the world Series. how times changeCool


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Since: Dec 21, 2011
Posted on: December 21, 2011 11:28 am
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Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 21, 2011 11:23 am
 

Blue Jays', Yankees' bids on Darvish reported

And there were only 2 teams who bid over $50 million so and no one came close to offering $55 mil so I don't know where you go your "between 50 and 75 million" figure that was a pipe dream, low 50 was the ceiling price form the start no one was willing to pay more.  

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.  My point was never that the Jays didn't come close, because they certainly did come close.  My point was when you play in a market that top flight free agents aren't really crazy about and you have a chance to pick up a so called superstar pitcher then you do exactly that.  You overpay if you have to, but you get the job done.  There is no such thing as "not willing to pay more" then the 50 million.  If you're the Jays and you REALLY believe this guy is the answer, then you put in a crazy bid and get this guy.  How many superstar pitchers are looking at the Jays instead of the big market teams to sign with? None, that's how many.  This was their chance.. and they blew it.  I'm not a fan of the Jays but if I was and if I believed this Darvish kid was going to be a superstar I would PISSED beyond belief.  The fee being paid to the team overseas does not count against the salary cap. So the Jays should have blown people's bids out of the water....


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