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Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

Posted on: December 22, 2011 4:34 pm
Edited on: December 22, 2011 10:15 pm
 


By Matt Snyder


The Washington Nationals have landed left-handed starting pitcher Gio Gonzalez, CBSSports.com insider Jon Heyman has confirmed. In return, the A's will receive a veritable killing that is usually reserved for an ace-type pitcher. Tommy Milone, Brad Peacock, Derek Norris and A.J. Cole are headed to Oakland's system in a trade that was first reported by ESPN.com. In fact, Peacock and Milone are probably going to be thrown into the A's starting rotation. UPDATE: CBSSports.com's Scott Miller reports that the Nationals will also get right-handed pitcher Robert Gilliam.

"It's 99 percent done," Gonzalez said (Associated Press). "It's pending a physical and I'm just waiting to hear from my agent."

On the Washington end, they are getting a 26-year-old lefty who isn't eligible to be a free agent until 2016. Gonzalez was 16-12 with a 3.12 ERA and 197 strikeouts in 202 innings last season for the A's. Of course, he also led the majors with 91 walks. Still, he's pretty tough to hit, holding opposing hitters to a .230 batting average and .336 slugging percentage last season.

With Gonzalez alongside Stephen Strasburg and Jordan Zimmermann, the Nationals have a formidable trio to lead their rotation for several years. Further, with John Lannan and Chien-Ming Wang -- and Ross Detwiler as insurance -- the Nats have a very strong rotation top to bottom. They are coming off their best NL East finish since the move to Washington -- third place -- as they'd previously finished in last place five times and fourth place once.

Gilliam, 24, appears to be a throw-in. He was 12-7 with a 5.04 ERA and 1.30 WHIP in High-A ball last season. He did strike out 8.5 batters per nine innings, though.

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As for the A's, they are clearly rebuiling, just as we've known all winter. They already traded All-Star pitcher Trevor Cahill to the Diamondbacks and are still rumored to be close to trading closer Andrew Bailey.

This deal will go a long way toward setting up the future, and -- as I mentioned earlier -- Milone and Peacock probably step into the rotation with Brandon McCarthy and two others (Brett Anderson and Dallas Braden are still recovering from season-ending surgeries) immediately.

Milone is a 24-year-old left-hander. He was 12-6 with a 3.22 ERA, 1.03 WHIP and 155 strikeouts in 148 1/3 innings in Triple-A last season. He was then promoted to the big-league club and made five starts, with decent success. He had a 3.81 ERA and 1.25 WHIP in 26 innings with 15 strikeouts and four walks (and two of those were intentional).

Peacock was pretty dominant last season at three different levels. The 23-year-old right-hander started the season in Double-A, where he went 10-2 with a 2.01 ERA, 0.86 WHIP and 129 strikeouts in 98 2/3 innings. He then struck out a batter per inning in Triple-A for nine starts and was moved up to the Nationals. In 12 big-league innings, Peacock only gave up seven hits and one run (0.75 ERA).

Norris, 22, is a high-on-base, power-hitting catcher. Last season, he hit just .210 but had a .367 on-base percentage with 20 home runs in Double-A. He also stole 13 bases and threw out 40 percent of would-be base-stealers.

Cole, 19, is a bit away from the bigs but has high upside according to many scouting services. The 6-foot-4 right-handed pitcher went 4-7 with a 4.04 ERA for Class-A Hagerstown last year, but he also struck out 108 batters in 89 innings.

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Comments

Since: Oct 4, 2006
Posted on: December 23, 2011 6:02 pm
 

Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

i'm just curious if 31 wins and a 3.19 era over the last two years isn't "ace numbers" -- what do you consider ace numbers???  ESPECIALLY while playing for a team that isn't scoring alot of runs or piling up wins.

Wins are an awful statistic, and utterly irrelevant when evaluating a pitcher. Felix Hernandez's Cy Young year is proof enough of that. They don't score a lot of runs because Billy Beane has a team full of guys who have absolutely brutal offensive skills but make their living as a defensive studs. ERA is a highly flawed statistic, and when you look at his peripherals they are good. Not great, he is not by any means an ace. He's a decent #2. 

 i love how his walk totals continue to grow with each philly fan who posts in this thread.  the last guy said it was well over 3 a game, you say it is over 4 a game.  fact is -- he had 91 walks last year in 32 starts or..............less than 3 per start.  let me know if you need help with the math part of that.
A game is 9 innings long. He walks 4 batters per 9 innings. Though in fairness I should have said BB/9.

Either way, it's terrble control. 

 explain to me how you could POSSIBLY know if Gonzalez is going to improve or not???  I can't wait to hear the answer to this one. 
He's right around the age where players are pretty much fully developed. It is very rare for a player to keep improving past the age of 27-28. He'll be 27 by the end of next year. So he might get a bit better control, but other than that what you see is what you get. 

 There was only 19 pitchers in the MLB with a better era than Gonzalez.
And I'd bet a lot of them played in stadiums a heck of a lot less pitcher friendly than Oakland. He's a good pitcher, but he isn't an Ace and it was an overpayment. It really depends how they used the money they saved by making this trade to determine how much of an overpay. 





Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: December 23, 2011 6:00 pm
 

Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

Probably because he isn't an Ace. He's a great # 3 pitcher, or a solid #2.  
Out of curiousity -- How many pitchers in the MLB do you consider to be "aces"?  Then list them for me.  I just want to see what the criteria is in your eyes.



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: December 23, 2011 5:57 pm
 

Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

Want a list of HOF players who were once prospects and hadn't "proven" anything?

Here it is:

ALL OF THEM

You cannot honestly argue that just because they haven't played in the Majors they don't have immense value. 
phil-e-fan,

it is alright to think before you post.  for every "HOF player" there are 100's and 100's of "can't miss prospects" that never amounted to anything.  you would think being a phillies fan you would understand this as much, if not more than most.  does the name Domonic Brown ring a bell???  he was a 'can't miss' prospect -- the top player in all of the minor leagues.  NOW -- the phillies are trying to deal him away and many in the organization have given up on him.

"immense value" and PROVEN TALENT are two COMPLETELY different things.  Gio Gonzalez is a proven talent.  What the Nats gave up have yet to prove anything.  I'll take a proven talent that is left handed and young over the pipedream that a few prospects in the minors MAY turn out to be alright MLB players. 



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: December 23, 2011 5:49 pm
 

Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

First of all, no those are definitely not ace numbers. Not even close. 

A 3.19 ERA in Oaklnad is solidly above average, not "DAMN GOOD" by any stretch of the imagination. He walks 4 guys a game, his stadium is a cavern and he has a team full of good fielders behind him. His ERA is very misleading, and he is probably pretty much as good as he'll get. 
phil-e-fan,

you have been watching too much NL baseball, if you think a 3.19 era isn't even close to ace numbers.  in 2011 -- there was a total of 16 pitchers in the MLB with an era under 3.00.  There was only 19 pitchers in the MLB with a better era than Gonzalez.  Over half of those pitchers weere in the NL -- where Gonzalez's era will only get better as they play more small ball and he gets to face pitchers.

i'm just curious if 31 wins and a 3.19 era over the last two years isn't "ace numbers" -- what do you consider ace numbers???  ESPECIALLY while playing for a team that isn't scoring alot of runs or piling up wins.

i love how his walk totals continue to grow with each philly fan who posts in this thread.  the last guy said it was well over 3 a game, you say it is over 4 a game.  fact is -- he had 91 walks last year in 32 starts or..............less than 3 per start.  let me know if you need help with the math part of that.

also -- explain to me how you could POSSIBLY know if Gonzalez is going to improve or not???  I can't wait to hear the answer to this one.  I just love the fans of teams within a division who want to rag on a player they know nothing about and then make off the wall statements as if they are truth. 



Since: Oct 4, 2006
Posted on: December 23, 2011 5:28 pm
 

Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

He has pitched two full seasons in 2010 and 2011 -- 31-21 with a 3.19 era is DAMN GOOD.  That is ace numbers, especially playing for a club like the A's, who are not one of the better teams.
First of all, no those are definitely not ace numbers. Not even close. 

A 3.19 ERA in Oaklnad is solidly above average, not "DAMN GOOD" by any stretch of the imagination. He walks 4 guys a game, his stadium is a cavern and he has a team full of good fielders behind him. His ERA is very misleading, and he is probably pretty much as good as he'll get. 

 What they gave up is prospects -- players who have proven nothing at the MLB level.
Want a list of HOF players who were once prospects and hadn't "proven" anything?

Here it is:

ALL OF THEM

You cannot honestly argue that just because they haven't played in the Majors they don't have immense value. 

 You don't come across many teams willing to part with a young left handed ace type pitcher like Gonzalez very often.

Probably because he isn't an Ace. He's a great # 3 pitcher, or a solid #2.  



Since: Sep 27, 2006
Posted on: December 23, 2011 3:27 pm
 

Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

I still this trade was made because the Washington Nationals aren't sold on the fact Stephen Strasburg and Jordan Zimmerman can stay healthy. You don't give up your future to finish second or third in your division unless you aren't sold on some of your star players being healthy. It would be different had they done what the Miami Marlins did and got a guy like Jose Reyes then traded for Gio Gonzalez. But Gio is not an ace and is not gonna put them over the top and make them compete for their division title. This is a "We don't have faith in the fact Zimmerman and Strasburg can stay healthy" type trades.



Since: Aug 11, 2011
Posted on: December 23, 2011 3:03 pm
 

Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

Nats got "Beaned" in the rear on this one!! No pitcher from there does well after they leave Oakland. Billy is still laughing somewhere!




Since: Dec 22, 2011
Posted on: December 23, 2011 1:44 pm
 

Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

You're right A's pitchers are never as good away from oakland as they are playing 82 in oakland.  Nationals GM should be fired...Beane wanted to rob someone and he did the desperate and completely lost Nationals...they weren't run right as the expos and they aren't run right now baseball is about the future why...because money runs out if you don't put a winner and fa in sports are like that cheating girlfriend they are a fa once they will be a fa again look at arod, beltran, irod...yes I know they are all boras clients and agents do have a lot to do with that but gio is a nationals player until the time he's fa eligible and then he's gone and the nationals sold the farm to finish 3rd and missing the playoffs again...great move billy beane you had a price and someone paid it just to get a lefty.   Bily Beane gets the thief in the night trphy lol. 



Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: December 23, 2011 12:29 pm
 

Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

It pays to be wary of Oakland As pitchers. You have to take their record with a grain of salt. A good example is Barry Zito, who was a Cy Young winner, then came to the Giants and has been terrible ever since.

So for Gonzalez we have to check his home and away record. His 2011 ERA at home: 2.70; away 3.62. 2010 home: 2.56; away 3.92. He did pitch 200 innings both years, which is good. He did walk 91 last year, which for 200 innings is pretty high.

So he looks like an OK #3 pitcher on the Nat’s staff, at least for now. I know nothing of the prospects they traded, and how loaded the Nats farm system is, but I think it is a good risk to get a fairly young lefty veteran SP.



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Since: Dec 23, 2011
Posted on: December 23, 2011 11:49 am
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