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Reds to sign Madson to one-year contract

Posted on: January 10, 2012 10:58 pm
Edited on: January 11, 2012 1:43 pm

By Matt Snyder

Free agent closer Ryan Madson has agreed to sign a one-year, $8.5 million deal with the Cincinnati Reds, insider Jon Heyman has learned.

Madson, 31, was reportedly very close to signing a four-year deal worth over $40 million to stay in Philadelphia a few months ago and the deal apparently fell through, with the Phillies instead landing Jonathan Papelbon. Since then, the market for closers completely eroded to the point where a team like the Reds -- who didn't have much money at all to spend in free agency this season -- were able to jump into the bidding late and grab what appears to be a huge bargain.

Madson to Reds
Madson successfully converted 32 of his 34 save attempts in 2011 for the Phillies with a 2.37 ERA, 1.15 WHIP and 62 strikeouts in 60 2/3 innings.

He most certainly moves into the closer role for the Reds, who will now allow free agent Francisco Cordero to walk via free agency. Newly-acquired left-hander Sean Marshall will serve as a setup man, along with Bill Bray and Nick Masset. The plan with hard-throwing Aroldis Chapman is reportedly to convert him into a starter. Still, with Marshall and Madson being added, the Reds appear to have a strong back-end.

The fallout for two free agent pitchers is very evident here. First of all, as alluded to above, Cordero is now not going to remain in Cincinnati, so he'll have to look elsewhere. Also, the Reds had been connected to Kerry Wood in rumors this week, but that is no longer an option. So Wood is down to the Phillies and Cubs, using past reports as a guide.

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Since: Nov 27, 2011
Posted on: January 11, 2012 9:04 pm

Reds to sign Madson to one-year contract

Way to go Reds a good sign. I love it.

Since: Apr 29, 2008
Posted on: January 11, 2012 6:50 pm

Reds to sign Madson to one-year contract

Rmasfan19731, I'm just wondering .... did you watch Dusty Baker any when he was with the Cubs? I recall Baker having a starting pitching staff that had Kerry Wood and Mark Prior in it. And both were overused by Baker, and ended up having arm problems. Wood has pretty much recovered from those, by going to the bullpen, but he can't start anymore because of Baker. While, Prior is trying to get back to the MLB for the first time since 06, but keeps getting hurt. So, Baker is known for over working his pitchers, and injuring them. Lots of Cubs fans even hate Baker a lot, because he did that to Wood and Prior. And yes, Baker is the problem for the Reds. Baker is also blamed for ruining lots of other pitchers careers, like Robb Nen, Kirk Reuter, Edinson Volquez ... just to name a few others. Aaron Harang was another one of them, but he got away from Baker and seems to have refound himself, after having his first winning season since 2007.

Since: Apr 11, 2008
Posted on: January 11, 2012 5:53 pm

Reds to sign Madson to one-year contract

Given the fatal flaws in the Reds' lineup and low budget, $8.5m for a closer is a huge gamble. Never pay for saves may only be in fantasy baseball but never pay over the odds for them was something many clubs ignored - look at Francisco Rodriguez and the Mets.

I don't like Dusty, I think he's a very poor manager for a young team because he openly admits he prefers veterans, I think he has a very traditional approach to baseball that is becoming more and more obsolete.

The moves the Reds have made in the last month show a shift in mentality to "win now". If Dusty screws up this pitching staff, either by injury, overuse or both then there is no hiding place for him.

All the things said about him in the past will have a new home in Cincinnati.

Since: Dec 9, 2011
Posted on: January 11, 2012 5:12 pm

Reds to sign Madson to one-year contract

Great news. But i'm sure many so called Reds fans will find something negative to say. Real Reds fans are the best in baseball. Unfortunately, they only makeup about 30 pct of all who claim to be Reds fans. That is why their attendance is bad. They are generally miserable people who won't be happy no matter what. They feel zero responsibility to support the Reds as a Cincinnati institution. Many of those same fans are Kentucky basketball fans. They can stomach a black coach or manager (Dusty Baker, Tubby Smith), however if they have a down year, regardless of injuries, lack of talent, whatever, THEY MUST GO! Who cares if they are among the most respected people in their professions, as well as respected men, ignorance prevails. 

Since: Nov 23, 2006
Posted on: January 11, 2012 4:32 pm

Reds to sign Madson to one-year contract


I would like to agree with you about Dusty but the fact is what success or successes can be attributed to him?  Much of the Reds success in 2010 was the result of a division that went down the tubes plus some guys that had decent years.  That fell apart in 2011 and Dusty actually made it worse.  For example, sticking Stubbs out there in the lead off spot when he lead the league (by far) in strikeouts.  That was beyond dumb.  Even though the Reds did not perform the way they had in 2010, he did NOTHING to make it better.  Many decisions he made threw logic out the window.

Since: Nov 23, 2006
Posted on: January 11, 2012 4:22 pm

Reds to sign Madson to one-year contract

Chapman as a starter?  I have serious doubts about this considering his history of control problems.  This I will believe when I see it work.  Otherwise, I see this idea becoming a disaster and Chapman once again being put out in the bullpen or sent down to the minors.  I sure hope I am wrong but there is just some things about the Reds even I can see coming.

For instance, the failure of Jonny Gomes a season ago.  I could see that coming back in February and I based that simply on the lousy August and September he had in 2010.

I am interested in seeing how improved Bruce and especially Stubbs.  As bad as these guys looked a year ago and the same coaching staff coming back a minor miracle might be needed. 

The fans seem impressed with the Reds moves but not to throw a wet blanket over anything but they sure are stacking everything up for this year (2012) only.  These one year deals are going to present a lot of decisions coming up next fall and on into 2013 and any success means these guys are going to want pay raises or want to skip town.

Another fear with these one year wonders is injuries.  If any of these guys gets hurt and goes on the DL for an extended period of time there goes their worth to the team. 

I wish the Reds well but many things need to click including a lot of luck too in 2012.

I feel they do not have the correct manager or coaches either but with this kind of talent at least they won't have anymore excuses.  Then again, why would they care?  Knowing this coaching staff will be back, why would anyone expect anything different?

Since: Oct 14, 2006
Posted on: January 11, 2012 4:16 pm

Reds to sign Madson to one-year contract

Wow. Really? Dusty Baker the problem? I have been a Reds fan for 30 years and can not tell you who the hell was in our line up or bench most of the time. Injuries and poor depth will handcuff even a 3 time Manager of the Year. The Reds only had expectations last year because of the job he did in getting them to the playoffs the year before. I just wish people would look at the facts before they spout what they hear an analyst say to start a debate.

Since: Aug 27, 2008
Posted on: January 11, 2012 3:47 pm

Reds to sign Madson to one-year contract

I must say, I'm rather impressed with my Red Legs this off-season! Atypical, and I like it!!

Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: January 11, 2012 3:28 pm

Reds to sign Madson to one-year contract

I don't necessarily think Dusty is all that bad, he got a bad rap with the Cubbies because a couple of young guys (Prior and Wood) blew up their arms, I'm not here to argue that point. Why I stuck my nose into this discussion is because a lot of a pitcher's success here, is tied to what type of pitches they throw. Because here in Cincinnati we need pitchers with sinkers, heavy sink. It's called Great American Ball Park, but it should be renamed Great American Home Run Ball Park.

If you leave the ball up in the zone and it's not traveling 100+, there's going to be some HRs, just ask Bronson Arroyo, who gave up a boatload of longballs last year.

Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: January 11, 2012 2:58 pm

Reds to sign Madson to one-year contract

Good luck Ryan, as much as Howard frustrates us when he is "not" clutch you would give up the long ball in the most inopportune moments.  I think you are a couple years away from learning spots and control but it is sad to see a home grown star in the making go elsewhere. 

It is amazing to hear the negativity.  You guys are sort of rewriting his history.  One of the most effective set up guys in MLB for 08-10.  The times he struggled was NOT in that position, but when he was thrust into the closer's role because Lidge was injured, in 09 and 10.  He definitely struggled, playing out of position.  Last offseason apparently Boras came to him and asked him what he was thinking, and the answer was basically about being perfect.  He was putting too much pressure on himself.  Now, I don't know exactly who Boras had him talk to, but this past season he was unbelievable in that roll when Lidge and Contreras were hurt.  He finally learned how to be a closer.   Only 2 blown saves last year out of 32 or 34 shots.  I will take that from any closer.  He is not a couple years away...he has arrived.  As a Phillies fan I will miss him, but personally I would not have signed him OR Papelbon for that money.  Closers aren't worth it, unless they are named Rivera.  But that is a different story.  I am sorry to see him go, but don't rewrite history and act like he was only okay.  He was damn effective and a key member of the team that won the WS in 08 and got to the WS in 09.  I say good luck and I hope you have success against all teams BUT the Phillies.

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