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Yankees agree to trade Montero for Pineda

Posted on: January 13, 2012 7:41 pm
Edited on: January 13, 2012 10:39 pm
 


By C. Trent Rosecrans

So much for that quiet Yankees winter. New York has finally made its move for a pitcher, agreeing to trade for right-hander Michael Pineda from the Mariners in exchange for top prospect Jesus Montero, CBSSports.com's Jon Heyman reports. The Mariners will also get right-hander Hector Noesi, while right-hander Jose Campos goes the Yankees, Heyman reports. The deal is pending physicals.

Yankees' big night

Pineda, 22, went 9-10 with a 3.74 ERA for the Mariners last season, striking out 173 batters in 171 innings. The 6-foot-7 Pineda was an early front-runner for Rookie of the Year, going 8-6 with a 3.03 ERA in 18 starts in the first half of the season, but struggled down the stretch going 1-4 with a 5.12 ERA in 10 starts, despite his walk and strikeout rates remaining relatively steady during those two stretches. He also benefitted from the spacious Safeco Field, putting up a 2.92 ERA in 12 starts at home and a 4.40 ERA in 16 games on the road.

Montero, also 22, played in 18 games for the Yankees last season, hitting .328/.406/.590 with four home runs and 12 RBI in 18 games and 69 plate appearances. He started three games at catcher and 14 as the team's designated hitter. He also appeared in a game of the American League Division Series against the Tigers, hitting two singles in two plate appearances, driving in a run. In Triple-A, he hit .288/.348/.467 with 18 homers at Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. 

Montero has been seen as a finished product at the plate, but drew plenty of questions behind it. Many see the right-handed hitter as unable to catch every day in the big leagues and is better suited to being a full-time DH or first baseman.

Noesi will be 25 later this month and went 2-2 with a 4.47 ERA in 30 appearances for the Yankees in 2011, including two starts. Overal the he struck out 45 and walked 22 in 56 1/3 innings.

Campos, 19, went 5-5 with a 2.32 ERA at Low-A Everett, starting 14 games. He struck out 85 and walked 13 in 81 1/3 innings.

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Comments

Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: January 14, 2012 1:21 pm
 

Yankees agree to trade Montero for Pineda

The Yanks new Pitching lineup [has] the potential to be the equal of the Phillies,

Still some ways to go to get there, mai, though you may have moved a bit closer. I'll still take our top four over yours for this coming season.

. .if the Yank pitchers all pitch to their max potential.

Of course, that almost never happens with most teams.  You'll need to coax another good year out of both Kuroda and Garcia (we won't talk about Burnett). 

But, I admit, certainly a better rotation for you than last year.




Since: May 22, 2007
Posted on: January 14, 2012 12:59 pm
 

Yankees agree to trade Montero for Pineda

In a way, we always expect the Yankees to make a big deal, and they did getting Michael Pineda. I don't know if Pineda is worth Jesus Montero, but a good pitcher is worth his weight in gold. Plus, the Yanks have plenty of hitting with Tex, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter, etc. They really had pitching issues last year, so now they are the front runner in the AL East? Or is it still the Red Sox...certainly not the Blue Jays or Orioles. The Rays are always good, so what now???



Since: Aug 28, 2006
Posted on: January 14, 2012 12:57 pm
 

Yankees agree to trade Montero for Pineda

Let me clear something up for the NY fans talking about pitching under pressure.  I know you don't hear much about Seattle out here, I know I live here currently but also lived in Seattle.


The Mariners are seattle's #1 sports team and have been so for a very long time, then it was the sonics, then seahawks.  Obiously the Sonics are out of the picture but Seattle is still the #1 team, even though theyve been terrible.  There is a lot of pressure, and a lot scrutiny in the media out there because they are SO desperate for good players.  If you have a a couple bad starts you're already written off as another Seattle piece of trash.  He can pitch in pressure situations...Randy Johnson was old, strong personality, and didn't like to be questioned.  You can't compare him to M.P.


Pineda will be GREAT for you, obviously it's just an opinion at this time but the kid has ALL the tools to be a nice compliment to C.C. Sabathia.  He is WAY better then Burnett and Colon and I think he'll have a better year then Kuroda. 


Like some other Seattle fan said...you guys should be jumping for joy.  Just because a year back Montero was "untouchable" doesn't mean he was destined for stardom.  He was just a top prospect that the Yanks were hoping could replace Posada.  Well, when he turned out to be a below average catcher behind the plate, that changed everything.  They don't need a DH, and they don't need someone to spell Tex at 1st base here and there.  They can sign someone for that.  You guys gave up a prospect for a young pitcher who proved last year he can pitch with the best.  9-10 doesn;t sound great but that translates to 13-6 on a good team.  Mariners have to play the Rangers, Angels all year as well as you guys, boston, tampa, etc.  We are in a tough division and have a terrible offense. 


It's almost on the snobbish side for you guys to be doubting this trade, not quite but it comes off that way.  You got 170+ KO's in 170+ innings for 18 major league games with 4 homers and a few rbi's.


I guess I just can't see how some of you are questioning this trade when us Mariner fans feel like we got straight up robbed at gun point?  To each's own I guess...    &nb
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Since: Jul 31, 2007
Posted on: January 14, 2012 12:50 pm
 

Yankees agree to trade Montero for Pineda

Why Seattle, why???

For teams needing a solid DH, please look no further than KC.  The Royals don't have the "Killer B's", they have Quadruple B.  That would of course stand for Butter Ball Billy Butler.  Billy is a deceptively slow, below average fielding first baseman/designated hitter who incidentally can hit the cover off a baseball.

Seattle, let me speak for David Glass and Dayton Moore in saying that KC would have gladly traded a somewhat proven DH for the likes of Pineda.  Please stop with the "his numbers tailed off" or he couldn't pitch in hitters parks.  This Pineda kid has electric stuff and the only way NY received a bad deal out of this is if the young pitcher suffers an injury.

Billy Butler might be a good fit in the NYY system.  BB and CC would have immediate chemistry, destroying buffets all across the greater NY area.



Since: Mar 21, 2010
Posted on: January 14, 2012 12:46 pm
 

Yankees agree to trade Montero for Pineda

First let me start off by apologizing if I have repeated somebody else's comments. There are 18 pages of comments and I have not taken the time to read through any of them. My first impression from this trade is that it is almost inevitable now that Felix Hernandez is the next one to get traded by the Seattle Mariners. First they shipped Doug Fister to the Detroit Tigers and now Michael Pineda to the New York Yankees. That is two front line starters gone from their rotation in less than 6 months. I would be shocked if Felix finishes 2012 in a Mariners uniform.

As far my Yankees goes I think that this trade may be an indication that they are not comfortable with Phil Hughes being fully recovered from his condition from last season. Even if Hughes is fully healthy then there is a 6-man rotation once again, which then leads me to believe that either Freddy Garcia is going to be the long man out of the bullpen with occassional spot starts or that another trade is in the works where a starter (hopefully A.J. Burnett) is getting shipped out of here around the trade deadline for a pitcher who is going to be a free agent at the end of the 2012 season.

There is also the possibility that this means that the Yankees 2012 offseason main move will focus on signing Robinson Cano to a long-term deal instead of chasing down a marquee free agent pitcher.

The reason that I like this deal is because it will put the emphasis on solid pitching and playing more Small Ball instead of having another bat in the lineup that you hope has The Magical 3-Run Homerun in it that I have griped about in previous posts including the playoff series loss to the Detroit Tigers.



Since: Aug 28, 2006
Posted on: January 14, 2012 12:38 pm
 

Yankees agree to trade Montero for Pineda

Yankee fans, you are getting a great pitcher.  Hits triple digits on the radar, nice movement to his pitches and struck out over a batter per inning in 170+ innings.  I am a Mariner fan living in Jersey, actually born in north jersey, moved all over, but lived in seattle from 92-97 when I was 10-15 so became a big M's fna and still am, but my 2nd team is the yanks so I am on both sides here.  BUT, the Mariners took a big L in this trade and the yankees made out like a bandit.  Yes Montero has been highly touted but as time told that he was not a good catcher behind the plate, that lowered his value.  The Mariners need bats in the lineup and Montero could prove to be that, but Pineda was 9-10 on one of the wors teams in baseball.  That's a big factor, remember Felix won the Cy Young two years back with only 13 wins I believe?  With a nice lineup behind him, this kid could win you 13-16 games this year, and possibly become a 15-18 game winner years after.


Like most players that come to NY, he may need a year to adjust, but in my opinion, he'll still do relatively well for you guys this season.  I'm very disappointed with Seattle's management and don't understand this move, especially giving up a top prospect ourselves.  It's only a matter of time before we send King Felix your way because there is no way we will stay with us, maaaybe if we were to get Fielder this year but I'm giving that a 10% chance of happening.  So my point is that we need to hold on to young pitchers with a ton of potential just to prepare for when the bidding war starts on Felix.


Another thing to note, plenty of ex mariners have done great when moved to NY.  In the past 20 the Mariners have been like a farm systen for the Yanks with how many players we have moved that way or that have gone there on their own.  So sad.


Hopefully Montero turns out to be a great hitter, one that will stay with us for years to come but it's not likely.  He'll probably be an above average hitter, that gets 15 homers a year for us and 70 rbi.  Not what we need, but could still be helpful.


Good luck Pineda, miss ya already.    &nb
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Since: Jun 29, 2010
Posted on: January 14, 2012 12:26 pm
 

Yankees agree to trade Montero for Pineda

I'm somewhat surprised the Yanks dealt Montero.  Of course, Pinedo has a great upside and could add a much needed strong arm in that weak Yankee rotation, however, Montero is alot to give up for a pitcher who basically folded in the 2nd half last year.  Granted, he was in Seattle.  I think both teams will be pleased with the trade.  Early on, it looks very fair all around.
The problem with Montero seems to have been that the Yanks did not view him as a viable catcher, as a result, the only other positions for him would be platoon either at 1st base or DH. His platoon time at 1st would be limited as the Yanks have Tex. Acquiring a high-end starter for a platoon player is a no-brainer. Also, the Yanks appear to hold Romaine in high regard at the Catcher position.



Since: Jun 29, 2010
Posted on: January 14, 2012 12:22 pm
 

Yankees agree to trade Montero for Pineda

Not sure what to expect from this.  As a Yanks fan, we've seen this before.  They throw fire, then get to NY and stink up the joint.   I really liked Montero and am disappointed somewhat, but probably because I don't know enough about Pineda.  I would hope Cashman has something in the works that would get Montero back in pinstripes.  We probably have only a couple of years left in Martin.  Then what- after two decades of having power catchers at the plate, we will be like 2/3 of the leauge with ho-hum hitting percentage?
You can expect this: Pineda is an upgrade over Burnett, and Kuroda is an upgrade over Garcia/Colon. Burnett is done in NY, unless the Mets take him. However, you can expect that Burnett will be given away. Based on Pineda's raw talent, he has the potential to be be a #2 behind CC. In addition, the Cashman has created the options to improve the offense without spening a boat load of money. The Yanks new Pitching lineup is better than Boston's on day one, and the potential to be the equal of the Phillies, if the Yank pitchers all pitch to their max potential. Also, the can filter in the Young pitchers at mid year to fill in any gaps.



Since: Jun 5, 2011
Posted on: January 14, 2012 12:12 pm
 

Yankees agree to trade Montero for Pineda

I'm somewhat surprised the Yanks dealt Montero.  Of course, Pinedo has a great upside and could add a much needed strong arm in that weak Yankee rotation, however, Montero is alot to give up for a pitcher who basically folded in the 2nd half last year.  Granted, he was in Seattle.  I think both teams will be pleased with the trade.  Early on, it looks very fair all around.



Since: Jan 13, 2010
Posted on: January 14, 2012 11:54 am
 

Yankees agree to trade Montero for Pineda

This kid campos could turn out to be a steal for the yankees in 2 to 3 years also.


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