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Would You Rather Have: Sabathia or Lee?

Posted on: January 23, 2012 10:30 am

By Matt Snyder

For the latest installement of this offseason series, let's match up two left-handers who used to be teammates. It's CC Sabathia of the Yankees against Cliff Lee of the Phillies. Both are north of 30 years of age yet still elite pitchers. And both are very handsomely compensated for their skills.

Each player has won one Cy Young ... for the Indians. They were together in Cleveland from 2002 until about midway through the 2007 season. The Indians ended up with the following players after trading these two aces (yes, I know Roy Halladay is technically the Phillies' ace, but Lee is ace-caliber): Matt LaPorta, Zach Jackson, Rob Bryson, Michael Brantley, Carlos Carrasco, Jason Donald and Lou Marson.

As an aside, I'll admit that I had a hearty chuckle in putting this one together. There aren't many things better to observe than New York and Philadelphia fans hurling insults at one another.

That being said, this is an obviously tough and very legitimate question. Let's dive in.

The case for Lee

At the age of 29, Cliff Lee turned his entire career around. He's now an elite pitcher. He was 22-3 with a 2.54 ERA and 1.11 WHIP in 2008, en route to a Cy Young award. The next two seasons he had four different zip codes, but was still far above average. In 2011, however, he finally found a home and was back as a Cy Young contender.

Would You Rather Have
For the Phillies in 2011, Lee went 17-8 with a 2.40 ERA, 1.03 WHIP and 238 strikeouts in 232 2/3 innings. Perhaps more impressive, however, were his six complete games -- all of which were shutouts, a figure that led the majors. Amazingly, his 42 walks actually marked a regression from the 18 in 2010, but it just goes to show how good Lee's control is.

And then we have the postseason. Lee is 7-3 with a 2.52 ERA, 0.93 WHIP and 89 strikeouts in 82 career playoff innings. He has owned the mighty Yankees in three career playoff starts against them. Sabathia, meanwhile, has a 4.81 ERA and 1.62 WHIP in 86 career postseason innings.

Finally, we cannot discount size here. I think the people who go after Sabathia for being "fat" or "out of shape" are misguided -- he's not small, but he's as durable as anyone -- but as the two pitchers get into their mid-30s, I think it would be naive to ignore the possibility that Lee will age much better.

The case for Sabathia

Carsten Charles Sabathia has proven himself one of the biggest workhorses in baseball for the past five seasons. It would be unheard of to expect 240 innings in a season from most pitchers in the majors, but that is Sabathia's average from 2007-2011. There is no pitcher in baseball who better places the burden of carrying the entire pitching staff than Sabathia.

He gets the job done in numbers, too. He has five straight top five finishes in Cy Young voting. Last season, the big man went 19-8 with a 3.00 ERA, 1.23 WHIP and 230 strikeouts in 237 1/3 innings. He was also tasked with facing the rugged AL East in one of the best hitters' parks in the majors (Citizens Bank Park in Philadelphia is also a hitters' park, but not near as drastic as Yankee Stadium).

The salaries -- which are gigantic -- are a wash.

Sabathia is 31 while Lee is 33, so the age tips the scale slightly in Sabathia's favor.

Our call

This is one of my toughest selections -- they had an indentical 6.9 bWAR last season -- but it's going to be Lee. While Sabathia is younger and has a longer track record of success, Lee has been a bigger shut-down pitcher, especially in the postseason. Now that he's found a long-term home, I expect that to continue.

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Since: Jan 23, 2012
Posted on: January 23, 2012 12:41 pm
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Since: Dec 21, 2006
Posted on: January 23, 2012 12:37 pm

Would You Rather Have: Sabathia or Lee?

dont forget, tho, that in 2007, stiff was sent to the minors for a good part of the season and, if memory serves me right, was left off the indians playoff roster.

makes me sick to think that the indians had BOTH of these guys and now are left with a bag of bp balls and a fungo bat.

Since: Apr 15, 2008
Posted on: January 23, 2012 11:55 am

Would You Rather Have: Sabathia or Lee?

Looks like the Poll says Lee is the wrong answer yet again!

Lee has been big in postseason games vs. NY.

Not so much against San Fran, St. Louis and a few others.

CC gets the nod...just ask the fans! 

Since: Mar 9, 2007
Posted on: January 23, 2012 11:36 am

Would You Rather Have: Sabathia or Lee?

I'm a huge Yankee fan. The answer is Cliff Lee, the guy is unreal in big games.

Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: January 23, 2012 11:35 am

Would You Rather Have: Sabathia or Lee?

Cliff Lee without a doubt.  Very comparible pitchers in the regular season, but Cliff Lee has proven he can get it done in the postseason, while Sabathia has not.

Another one of those comparisons though where you really can't go wrong. 

Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: January 23, 2012 11:22 am

Would You Rather Have: Sabathia or Lee?

Lee  gets the edge in my book...his numbers are better, he can also hit and play defense,  and the 2 additional years of age doesn't bother me as much as the 60 extra pounds on C.C., which may cost him 2 years of his career before it's over.

Since: Aug 26, 2011
Posted on: January 23, 2012 10:45 am

Would You Rather Have: Sabathia or Lee?

Definetly Lee less Homeruns given up and way fewer walks, however I wish both were still in Cleveland together that would be nice

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