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Ortiz, Red Sox agree to $14.5M deal

Posted on: February 13, 2012 10:54 am
Edited on: February 14, 2012 6:44 am
 
David OrtizBy C. Trent Rosecrans

The Red Sox and David Ortiz have avoided arbitration, settling for $14.575 million for 2012, CBSSports.com insider Jon Heyman reports.

Ortiz had asked for $16.5 million and the team had offered $12.65 million. The two sides were scheduled to go to arbitration on Monday.

Ortiz, 36, hit .309/.398/.554 with 29 home runs and 96 RBI for the Red Sox last season, the final year of his five-year, $64.5 million contract. Ortiz accepted Boston's arbitration offer in hopes of signing a multi-year deal, but instead settled for the one-year deal on Monday.

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Since: Feb 10, 2007
Posted on: February 14, 2012 4:04 pm
 

Ortiz, Red Sox agree to $14.5M deal

Having a LEGIT 4th starter AND retaining Scutaro >>> Overpaying Big Papi at DH

Not to mention, a legit 4th starter would spare the bullpen some, which changed names some, but still looks pretty weak in the depth department.

The Sox didn't need to keep this old player at this ridiculous price.   Having A-Gon, Youk, Crawford, Ells, and Pedroia in the lineup is plenty of offense ... adding in Scut, Whoever in RF, Salty, and Lavarnway at DH woulda been more than enough offense .. and if more was needed, it's a lot easier to add later on then finding a legit starter.

This was a bad deal when you consider the holes this team still has and what they could have used that money towards.  JMO




Since: Oct 22, 2007
Posted on: February 14, 2012 3:51 pm
 

Ortiz, Red Sox agree to $14.5M deal

just imagine someone tried to cap your pay! 


It would depend on the circumstances. It would depend on what other benefits may be available. If someone wanted to cap my pay just because, well then there's a problem. But if someone wants to cap my pay because in the long run, it will benefit everyone involved, then I might consider it. There are a lot of factors that go into this stuff and I think sometimes you simplify things way too much. Particularly, it seems, on issues involving economics and politics (in other threads).

BTW, I didn't "jump on" you for the name-calling. I asked you honestly if you could have a conversation with someone you disagree with without resorting to that stuff. It wasn't just based on the "tool" thing. As I said, I've seen many of your posts on this website and a large percentage involve insulting people because they offer up a different point of view.

If you have a good argument, it is much more effective when you offer it up without the names, insults and condescending suggestions/assumptions about other people's personal lives. Consider this friendly advice from someone who used to go that route and realized a while ago that it doesn't actually make one look more intelligent or knowledgeable, nor does it help to bolster an argument.



Since: Apr 25, 2008
Posted on: February 14, 2012 3:18 pm
 

Ortiz, Red Sox agree to $14.5M deal

ok

i asked it of another guy who brought up the same old cap arguement.  and i said its bs to put a cap on someone else unless we also put a cap on that person.  then i asked (like i always do) if that person would turn down a job for more money based on the same reasons they always give for wanting a cap on pro sports.  and i got no answer (as always) 

then you jumped on me for name calling.  what name btw?  cause i said tool in my 1st post?   wow sorry i used such a harsh word....  then i asked you the same question and said it would make you look like a jerk if you tried to say you wouldn't take more money.  i did not call you a jerk.  again i'm so sorry i called someone a tool.   

and you said (your the 1st person to ever respon to that)

I don't see how it would be unfair to my current company for me to take a higher paying job elsewhere.


to which i agree 100%.  my point is that so many people talk crap about other peoples money and they want these rules in place to control the amount of money everyone else can make and spend and its all based on the opinion that everyone else has enough already.  yet when put into the same situation every single person would take the money themself.  that is my point.  i'm tired or the hypocrisy. 

i'm not even a red sox fan an di say great for big popi, he deserves it and no one can tell him he makes to much and he should have to have a cap on how much he can make.  they all would take it and try and get as much as they could and magine if we caped everyones payy LOL  just imagine someone tried to cap your pay!   



Since: Oct 22, 2007
Posted on: February 14, 2012 2:30 pm
 

Ortiz, Red Sox agree to $14.5M deal

BTW Ace, I have to say it was almost impressive the way you avoided the point I made by trying to accuse me of avoiding answering a question you didn't even ask me.
Undecided



Since: Oct 22, 2007
Posted on: February 14, 2012 2:27 pm
 

Ortiz, Red Sox agree to $14.5M deal

and you didnt answer if you would decline a job for more money because it was unfair to the company that cant match... so please answer and tell us all how you would decline more money in order to to be fair.  why didnt you answer?  is it because answering truthfully would make you look like a jerk for bashing those people who do leave for more money?

I didn't answer because you weren't asking me that question and it had nothing to do with the point I was making. Now that you've asked me the question, I don't know how to answer because I can't imagine that scenario. I don't see how it would be unfair to my current company for me to take a higher paying job elsewhere.

Why do you make assumptions about me (and everyone else)? I haven't made any about you, I just offered my view on an issue without getting personal. I then asked you - based on your posts - if you could have a discussion without the insults and names (you answered that pretty emphatically, when you say you could but then call me "a jerk" for something I didn't even do). I didn't accuse you of something you didn't do....I haven't bashed anyone for leaving one team for another that is offering more money.

I'm sorry I bothered attempting to have a (civil) conversation. My bad....I should've known better based on your posting history. Ah well.....you live and learn.



Since: May 25, 2011
Posted on: February 14, 2012 2:11 pm
 

Ortiz, Red Sox agree to $14.5M deal

This will be Papi's last year with the Red Sox. But it will be the most any team will give him except maybe the Yankees. They picked up mercenary Johnny Damon when the Red Sox told him to take a hike. Both these teams throw away money like its confetti.



Since: Apr 25, 2008
Posted on: February 14, 2012 2:09 pm
 

Ortiz, Red Sox agree to $14.5M deal

sure i can disagree with out argueing, but not with people who think they can tell everyone else to cap the money they because they have the opinion that its already enough. 

and you didnt answer if you would decline a job for more money because it was unfair to the company that cant match... so please answer and tell us all how you would decline more money in order to to be fair.  why didnt you answer?  is it because answering truthfully would make you look like a jerk for bashing those people who do leave for more money?  



Since: Oct 22, 2007
Posted on: February 14, 2012 1:17 pm
 

Ortiz, Red Sox agree to $14.5M deal

AceRothstein, in my business, if my company's competitors fail economically, that's good for our business because it's less competition for the business we are trying to get. In pro sports, if a bunch of teams start failing economically, that's bad for all of the teams' business because the rest of the teams are also going to feel a negative economic impact since competition is what is being sold. Your analogy doesn't quite fit.

BTW, I've seen a few of your posts here and there and I have an honest question for you.......have you ever been able to disagree with someone or offer a differing opinion without making the assumption that anyone who disagrees with you is not as intelligent as you and, also, without the name-calling or personal comments?



Since: Apr 25, 2008
Posted on: February 14, 2012 12:34 pm
 

Ortiz, Red Sox agree to $14.5M deal

@ sonic John

How about we cap your paycheck also then.  whats good for the goose is good for the gander woudn't you say?  

and here is a question i ask of all the cap wanting tools on this site and no one ever answers, lets see sonic john if you are the 1st to ever man up and answer.

If i offered you twice as much money to do the same job as you do now (you do work right?) would you turn it down because its to much and its unfair to the employer who cant afford to match?



Since: Oct 22, 2007
Posted on: February 14, 2012 11:27 am
 

Ortiz, Red Sox agree to $14.5M deal

dont give me the "he doesn't play a position" crap...he can play a better 1B than Miguel Cabrera can play 3B...and the tigers just spent 214million to put HIM on third




That seems more like an argument supporting the Sox' approach here. Considering the teams' recent success, I'm not so sure the Red Sox should follow the example the Tigers set. Perhaps the Tigers would be better served following the Red Sox' example.


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