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Epstein compensation decision expected this week

Posted on: February 13, 2012 1:52 pm
Edited on: February 13, 2012 1:53 pm
 
Theo Epstein

By C. Trent Rosecrans


Major League Baseball is inching closer to a conclusion in the Theo Epstein compensation talks, with a decision expected as soon as this week, CBSSports.com insider Jon Heyman reports.

Both teams have already submitted briefs, and the commissioner's office has had time to look them over.

For Red Sox fans with images of Brett Jackson dancing in your head, well, you can stop. Word is the fact the Epstein had just one year left on his contract, and his deteriorating relationship with John Henry and Larry Lucchino, could affect what kind of return the Red Sox get.

Epstein was named the Cubs' president of baseball operations on Oct. 21. The two sides originally had 30 days to settle on compensation, but that deadline was then pushed back and ultimately sent to the commissioner's office last month.

The only precedent for a GM leaving his post and then taking another gig came in 1994 when the Twins' Andy MacPhail left Minnesota for the top job with the Cubs. The Twins received right-hander Hector Trinidad as compensation. Trinidad was ranked the team's No. 30 prospect at the time and never made it past Double-A. According to Baseball America, the Cubs' No. 30 prospect this year is outfielder Shawon Dunston Jr., the team's 11th-round pick in 2001 and son of former Cubs shortstop (and top overall pick) Shawon Dunston.

The Marlins gave up two players, utility infielder Ozzie Martinez and reliever Jhan Marinez, to the White Sox for compensation in return for manager Ozzie Guillen. Baseball America ranked Marinez, a right-hander, the No. 6 prospect in the White Sox system, although it should be noted he'd be ranked much lower than that in any other system. The White Sox minor-league system is almost universally considered the worst in baseball by a wide margin. Martinez was not ranked by Baseball America.

Epstein should be worth more than a manager, and probably more than what the Cubs gave up 18 years ago -- but how much more will be what makes it interesting.

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Comments

Since: Jan 13, 2010
Posted on: February 17, 2012 10:35 am
 

Epstein compensation decision expected this week

I'd give up either Josh Vitters or Chris Carpenter.  Both atr in the top 20 and honestly better prospects then the Red Sox deserve in this situation.  Either fall under significant and both would not kill the Cubs in their depth.

 Saying Garza, Castro or Brett Jackson are just fans looking at the top of the list and shooting for the moon.  None of those moves are fair and there has never been a every day player  <except Wynn>   in a trade.  All have been fringe players at best.   

But in a situation that the Cubs gave up either Carpenter..100 mph fastball but needs to work on secondary pitches.  Prety much can be slotted in the pen this year.  More then fair comp.   Vitters in AAA this year and could be on a team this year. Projects as a every day 3B.

These players are more then fair and some could say too much in this situation.  

But what they deserve is a lower ranked around #20.   Gioskar Amaya or Marco Hernandez. 



Since: Feb 10, 2007
Posted on: February 14, 2012 4:10 pm
 

Epstein compensation decision expected this week

You can't really compare this situation to others cuz the words "SIGNIFICANT COMPENSATION" was the understood arangement.  SIGNIFICANT = a top prospect or current player ... and this won't affect future dealings with GMs unless they also include the wording SIGNIFICANT COMPENSATION in the deal as well.   If the Sox don't get a majoy player out of this deal, this will go to court eventually .. guaranteed.



Since: Jan 23, 2007
Posted on: February 14, 2012 11:14 am
 

Epstein compensation decision expected this week

@cado56 - By signing him, the Cubs got the Red Sox "off the hook" for having to pay him the $3.5 million. On top of it, to sign Epstein, the Cubs agreed to pay the $3.5 million Epstein would've received for finishing his contract in Boston.

@YHater: No I don't. In fact, if you look at that situation in the inverse, then the opposite was proven. The Yankees top 3 minor leaguers WEREN'T worth trading for Dick Williams. The fact is that when these trades have actually HAPPENED - not just discussed - the end compensation hasn't been significant. 



Since: Jan 18, 2012
Posted on: February 14, 2012 9:15 am
 

Epstein compensation decision expected this week




Do you remember when the Yankees signed Dick Williams to manage their club?  Charles Finley asked for the so called Yankees crown jewels at the time Otto Velez and Scott McGregor.   Finley would not budge and Williams was never the manager. 

I think getting Theo is worth more than the best manager at the time Dick Williams so I think that Chicago should have to give up its three best minor leaguers and one major leaguer as well.  Don't you. 



Since: Sep 12, 2007
Posted on: February 14, 2012 7:16 am
 

Epstein compensation decision expected this week

Why would the Red Sox owe 3.5 mil to someone working for another team? When he signed a contract with the Cubs, his Red Sox obligation ended.



Since: Jan 23, 2007
Posted on: February 14, 2012 2:36 am
 

Epstein compensation decision expected this week

I'm not sure what history the Red Sox are alluding to when they make the claim that there is a precendent for them to receive major compensation for Theo Epstein. Hector Trinidad ... Randy Winn ... Jhan Marinez ... Ozzie Martinez. Those are four players that have been dealt for GMs/Managers in the past 20 years. Only Winn had big league credentials and while the jury is still out on Martinez and Marinez, most agree that they're fringe prospects at best. So please. Someone give me one example in the history of baseball that suggests the Cubs should give up anything more than the 20th best prospect in their organization.

When Red Sox fans throw out names like Brett Jackson, Anthony Rizzo, Trey McNutt, Matt Sczcur or Dillon Maples, it just comes off as pure lunacy to me. Even guys like Wellington Castillo, Steve Clevenger, Junior Lake or Josh Vitters would equal a greater haul than what teams have historically given up for front office personnel.

One thing I'd like to mention that no one has brought up is the $3.5 million the Cubs have already spent to "compensate" the Red Sox. I do believe that should be taken into account. Everyone mentions that Epstein had a contract with the Red Sox, and that because he left early, the Sox should be compensated. No one has mentioned the additional $3.5 million the Red Sox would have owed Epstein had he finished the 2012 season in Boston or that the Cubs picked up the $3.5 million tab when they hired him.



Since: Jan 30, 2011
Posted on: February 13, 2012 9:20 pm
 

Epstein compensation decision expected this week

I think that anyone thinking they know what the commissioner will do is pretty much crazy. I really can't imagine it being more than a mid-range prosect and maybe a lower level prospect. It also will not involve anyone on the current 40 man roster. I doubt it will be a AAA player either, probably someone from AA and either cash or an additional A level prospect. In addition, no player owed a large amount of money will be moved to Boston, although for Cub fans I am sure they would be more than willing to allow Soriano to go. Of course that would never happen, just like those Boston fans thinking Garza or Jackson would be part of it....not happening, and have some more chicken and beer!!



Since: Aug 2, 2011
Posted on: February 13, 2012 7:18 pm
 

Epstein compensation decision expected this week

With 1 year left, it'll probably be one or two prospects plus maybe an extra draft pick



Since: Feb 10, 2007
Posted on: February 13, 2012 3:44 pm
 

Epstein compensation decision expected this week

Make them take boy wonder's acquistion of Lackey off our hands .. that would truly be justice.  Next



Since: Oct 25, 2007
Posted on: February 13, 2012 2:40 pm
 

Epstein compensation decision expected this week

Treat it the same way as when another team signs one of your type A free agents, award the Red Sox an extra pick or two in the 2012 draft.  The Cubs wouldn't give up anyone who has potential and the Red Sox are asking too much, just give them a pick or two and move on.  Done, next.


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