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Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

Posted on: February 27, 2012 6:49 pm
 


By Matt Snyder


The Tigers enter the 2012 season as the overwhelming favorites to win the AL Central division. But that doesn't mean the front office is planning on sitting back and taking it easy. In fact, the Tigers are going to be scouting starting pitchers from other clubs this spring, says assistant general manager Al Avila (Alex's father), per MLive.com.

“We’ll be looking at other pitchers in other camps throughout spring training to see if there’s anything that makes sense for us,” Avila said (MLive.com).

Tigers in spring training
The Tigers were turned down when they offered free agent starter Roy Oswalt a one-year, $10 million deal this winter, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com learned. They were also heavily connected to Matt Garza of the Cubs in trade rumors throughout December and January.

As things currently stand, prospect Jacob Turner is the most likely candidate to end up as the Tigers' fifth starter behind Justin Verlander, Doug Fister, Max Scherzer and Rick Porcello. It's just that the Tigers seem very eager to win the World Series this season, without being patient, and Turner is only 20 years old. Plus, he struggled in his small sample of three starts last season for the Tigers.

We know Oswalt won't accept an offer and is planning on only pitching around a half-season anyway, but it'll be interesting to see if a trade for Garza or anyone else comes to fruition. The Tigers have pretty much already gone all-in for the season, so why stop now?

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Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2012 11:56 am
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

I can't help but laugh when people continue to say "outside of verlander, it's mediocre pitching".  I feel like I keep repeating myself on here.  Doug Fister finished in the top 10 in the MLB in ERA and WHIP in 2011 -- explain to me how that is mediocre pitching???  he had a better ERA and WHIP in 2011 than CC Sabbathia, Felix Hernandez, David Price, Josh Beckett, etc. -- does that mean those pitchers are mediocre too?

You can laugh all you want but its a fact. Fister's season last year was arguably his best one and until he proves he can keep that going than i'm going to have to stand my statement that he's mediocre.

The only FACT is -- Fister finished in the top 10 for WHIP and ERA in 2011 (4th in AL in ERA and 6th in the AL in WHIP).  Another fact -- it was only his 2nd full year in the MLB.  Using your logic.  If Fister is medicore -- does that mean all the  Braves starting pitchers are all mediocre, with the exception of Tim Hudson???  Fister had better numbers than every single one of them and it wasn't even close (including Hudson).  Is Craig Kimbel mediocre, because he was a rookie last year, so until he proves he can do it again, he is mediocre??  See how dumb that sounds.

 

explain to me how matt garza is good quality arm, yet max scherzer is not.  garza and scherzer have basically identical numbers -- garza 3.84 and scherzer 3.92 career era's.  garza had 20 more strikeouts last year, but also got to throw to pitchers in the NL.  Scherzer ERA was bloated last year, but that was due to a couple games where he gave up a ton of runs -- he had 19 quality starts in 2011.

Matt Garza also turns it up a notch when going to the playoffs, and has pitched in the AL before so don't give me that excuse.

So 4 games in the playoffs is "turning it up a notch"??  Does that mean the mediocre Fister turns it up a notch too -- he won series clinching game 5 in NY giving up 1 run and then won his only start in the ALCS against Texas giving up 2 runs in 7 2/3??  Scherzer actually pitched great too with the exception of game 6 in the ALCS.  He gave up 75% of the runs he allowed in that game.  He threw 5 innings of no hit ball against NY and left with a 1 hitter after the 6th.  Then pitched 6 against Texas letting up 3 runs and leaving with the score tied.  So as you can see -- one game can skew such a small sample size.  That is why 4 games is too small of a sample size to say a pitcher turns it up a notch, as one bad game will turn a great ERA into a terrible one.

Garza and Scherzer are basically the same pitcher -- both hard throwing, both strikeout pitchers.  They have almost identical stats with the one exception being -- Scherzer is under contract for a few more years for next to nothing (he was paid 600k in 2011)



lastly -- i wouldn't trade for jurrjens unless detroit gave up low level prospects for him -- two years running he has been injury prone and for a young pitcher that spells doom.
Oh, are you a Gm now? some sucker will give up top prospects to get him, it's only a matter of when not if.

I will tell you right now -- they may get a top prospect, but it won't be an upper level prospect (maybe a high A prospect).  It will be a low level prospect, as no team is going to give up MLB ready talent for a pitcher who two years running has been unable to stay healthy.  There is a reason Atlanta is trying to trade him -- if he was durable, he wouldn't be on the trading block.  You don't have to be GM to figure that out.  Only way they get a prime deal is if Jair shows he can stay healthy over the length of the season.



Since: Jan 1, 2008
Posted on: February 28, 2012 10:49 am
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

They'll make a deal with the Phillies for joe Blanton (1 yr @ 8.5 mil), moving Kendrick to the 5th starter and giving us either prospects to stock our system (albeit mid-level) or a possible Polanco and Balnton deal for something of value. One can hope, right?



Since: Jul 21, 2007
Posted on: February 28, 2012 9:29 am
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

I bet the Tigers could work a trade of Brandon Inge to the Giants. That's one team that is always looking for bats, and Inge has a few of those. He doesn't seem to know how to use them, but ...



Since: May 9, 2010
Posted on: February 28, 2012 9:11 am
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

I can't help but laugh when people continue to say "outside of verlander, it's mediocre pitching".  I feel like I keep repeating myself on here.  Doug Fister finished in the top 10 in the MLB in ERA and WHIP in 2011 -- explain to me how that is mediocre pitching???  he had a better ERA and WHIP in 2011 than CC Sabbathia, Felix Hernandez, David Price, Josh Beckett, etc. -- does that mean those pitchers are mediocre too?

You can laugh all you want but its a fact. Fister's season last year was arguably his best one and until he proves he can keep that going than i'm going to have to stand my statement that he's mediocre.

 

explain to me how matt garza is good quality arm, yet max scherzer is not.  garza and scherzer have basically identical numbers -- garza 3.84 and scherzer 3.92 career era's.  garza had 20 more strikeouts last year, but also got to throw to pitchers in the NL.  Scherzer ERA was bloated last year, but that was due to a couple games where he gave up a ton of runs -- he had 19 quality starts in 2011.

Matt Garza also turns it up a notch when going to the playoffs, and has pitched in the AL before so don't give me that excuse.



lastly -- i wouldn't trade for jurrjens unless detroit gave up low level prospects for him -- two years running he has been injury prone and for a young pitcher that spells doom.
Oh, are you a Gm now? some sucker will give up top prospects to get him, it's only a matter of when not if.



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2012 8:43 am
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

Let's not be foolish and say the Tigers don't need another starting pitcher, outside of Verlander it's mediocre pitching. Do you honestly think the Tigers can win a title with Scherzer, Fister and Porcello at the back end of the rotation? LOL. If they get another good quality arm like Garza or say my sleeper pick to go back to the Tigers (Jair Jurrjens) than i would like their chances.
Atlantabravesgg,

I can't help but laugh when people continue to say "outside of verlander, it's mediocre pitching".  I feel like I keep repeating myself on here.  Doug Fister finished in the top 10 in the MLB in ERA and WHIP in 2011 -- explain to me how that is mediocre pitching???  he had a better ERA and WHIP in 2011 than CC Sabbathia, Felix Hernandez, David Price, Josh Beckett, etc. -- does that mean those pitchers are mediocre too?

explain to me how matt garza is good quality arm, yet max scherzer is not.  garza and scherzer have basically identical numbers -- garza 3.84 and scherzer 3.92 career era's.  garza had 20 more strikeouts last year, but also got to throw to pitchers in the NL.  Scherzer ERA was bloated last year, but that was due to a couple games where he gave up a ton of runs -- he had 19 quality starts in 2011.

lastly -- i wouldn't trade for jurrjens unless detroit gave up low level prospects for him -- two years running he has been injury prone and for a young pitcher that spells doom.   



Since: Nov 7, 2010
Posted on: February 28, 2012 3:24 am
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

i would like to see an upgrade to an average bullpen!!..i agree with CLANCY..they have time to fix rotation if needed...Must locate Miguel on LF!!!!!..the problem of that?...they have to play Inge!!!....what a joke!....i will suggest Peralta(fat and slow but big arm ) on 3rd....Worth/Santiago/iorg on SS(better defensive player)especially when Porcello or Fister on the mound...
a possible trade is getting rid of Inge(and his 6mil salary) adding Turner for David Wright(mets know they are outside of the race in the mighty NL east!) 
i will also like to give a chance to players like Eric Young/Delwyn Young at 2nd
Raburn and Kelly are better suited out of the bench



Since: May 9, 2010
Posted on: February 28, 2012 2:55 am
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

Let's not be foolish and say the Tigers don't need another starting pitcher, outside of Verlander it's mediocre pitching. Do you honestly think the Tigers can win a title with Scherzer, Fister and Porcello at the back end of the rotation? LOL. If they get another good quality arm like Garza or say my sleeper pick to go back to the Tigers (Jair Jurrjens) than i would like their chances.



Since: Feb 12, 2008
Posted on: February 28, 2012 12:39 am
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

What's the rush?  The Tigers should easily win the Central division with teh staff they have.  If they need more pitching for the playoffs they can have a look at what's around in July or August.  In the meantime, they should be looking to advance one of their rookies.  Ya never know, one of them might be a big surprise!



Since: Jul 1, 2009
Posted on: February 27, 2012 10:51 pm
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

It would be a fair warning for any team to be very wary if the Detroit Tigers scouts set their radar on one of their pitchers;
one of the best trades I have every witnessed was last year when the Tigers picked the Mariners pocket in the Doug Fister trade.

In fact, the Tigers are going to be scouting starting pitchers from other clubs this spring, says assistant general manager Al Avila (Alex's father), .

Fister pitched lights out last year for the Mariners but the Mariners weak bats couldn't buy Fister a win. The Tigers looked past Fister's won-loss record and made a trade for someone who nearly went undefeated for them during the second half of the season. The Tigers also received quality wins from Fister during their 2011 play-off run. Fister's win in game 5 knocked the Yankees out in the first round.

Does Theo Epstien bite and let Matt Garza go to the Tigers? If the Tigers come calling, Epstien would know then that Garza would be worth keeping.

2011 season

In 2011, Fister was the Mariners number three starter behind  and . On July 30, Fister was traded to the Detroit Tigers along with relief pitcher  in exchange for , , , and .<sup id="cite_ref-20" class="reference"></sup> Before being dealt to the Detroit Tigers, Fister had a 3–12 record with a 3.33 ERA in 21 starts.

After his trade to the Tigers, Fister went 8–1 with a 1.79 ERA in 10 starts.<sup id="cite_ref-21" class="reference"></sup> He finished the 2011 regular season 11–13, with an ERA of 2.83 that placed him fourth among American League pitchers.<sup id="cite_ref-22" class="reference"></sup>

Fister was named the American League  for September after going 5–0 with a 0.53 ERA in five starts.<sup id="cite_ref-23" class="reference"></sup>

Facing the  in the American League Divisional Series, Fister bounced back from a rough game 1 outing to earn the win in the decisive game 5. Fister limited the Yankees to one run on five hits and two walks over five innings in the Tigers 3–2 victory, which sent them to the American League Championship Series.<sup id="cite_ref-24" class="reference"></sup>

In Game 3 of the the American League Championship Series, he held the ' offense to two runs and going 7 1/3 innings to get the win in a 5-2 Tiger victory.

Above information from Wikipedia




Since: Jun 3, 2010
Posted on: February 27, 2012 9:54 pm
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

Yes, that's true, but owner Mike Ilitch is 82 and wants a World Series as soon as he can get one. They aren't messing around for the very short-term.

- Matt


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