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Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

Posted on: February 27, 2012 6:49 pm
 


By Matt Snyder


The Tigers enter the 2012 season as the overwhelming favorites to win the AL Central division. But that doesn't mean the front office is planning on sitting back and taking it easy. In fact, the Tigers are going to be scouting starting pitchers from other clubs this spring, says assistant general manager Al Avila (Alex's father), per MLive.com.

“We’ll be looking at other pitchers in other camps throughout spring training to see if there’s anything that makes sense for us,” Avila said (MLive.com).

Tigers in spring training
The Tigers were turned down when they offered free agent starter Roy Oswalt a one-year, $10 million deal this winter, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com learned. They were also heavily connected to Matt Garza of the Cubs in trade rumors throughout December and January.

As things currently stand, prospect Jacob Turner is the most likely candidate to end up as the Tigers' fifth starter behind Justin Verlander, Doug Fister, Max Scherzer and Rick Porcello. It's just that the Tigers seem very eager to win the World Series this season, without being patient, and Turner is only 20 years old. Plus, he struggled in his small sample of three starts last season for the Tigers.

We know Oswalt won't accept an offer and is planning on only pitching around a half-season anyway, but it'll be interesting to see if a trade for Garza or anyone else comes to fruition. The Tigers have pretty much already gone all-in for the season, so why stop now?

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Since: Aug 29, 2007
Posted on: December 3, 2012 3:11 pm
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

Yea, I said it  in the r.a. dickey article, tell the mets the tigers will give them porcello, dirks, boesh and a draft pick for dickey.
then the tigs can forget about sanchez and his demands, spend 2/3 of that money on a 2 yr contract with dickey, and the rotation looks like this, Verlander , dickey, scherzer and fister...yea baby, put avisail garcia as the everyday right fielder and were good....for now. 



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: February 29, 2012 11:13 am
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

Put this into perspective- Detriot  plays in arguably the weakest division in baseball, not to mention i never compared Detriot to Atlanta. Also take into consideration Atlanta will have Michael Bourn for the whole season, another experience year for Freedie Freeman, a rookie of the year candidate in Tyler Pastronicky, a bounce back candidate in Jason Heyward and Dan Uggla, and you've got yourself a pretty nice lineup.  Probably not as good as Detriots,  notto mention the flurry of pitching prospects the Braves have. 
If you want to compare stats and cherry pick only the hitting ones i can certainly do that for the pitching. The Braves had an overrall better ERA, WHIP,  more strikeouts (most in the big leagues), less walks, less batting average against, and more shutouts than the Tigers and this was with Tommy Hanson and Jair Jurrjens having down second halfs. Not to mention an atrocious Derek Lowe. So as you can see Atlanta Trumps Detriot in almost every category possible, that also includes the Bullpens.
No one in the MLB is going to attempt to compare Atlanta's offense to Detroit's.  It isn't even close.  If the Braves had an offense, they would have easily made the playoffs, as they have a rock solid pitching staff.

I am also not going to argue stats or who has the better staff, as Detroit doesn't have the luxury of facing opposing teams pitchers.  Any team in the NL that doesn't have a better ERA than an AL team has to have a really bad pitching staff.  Hence the reason -- 6 of the top 7 team ERA's are from the NL. 

I can say -- Detroit is set for success for the next 4-5 years.  They have Fielder, Cabrera, VMart (only 3 years on his contract), Verlander, Fister, etc. all locked up to contracts.  All of these players are just going to be entering their prime and with the exception of VMart -- none are older than 28 years old.  As a matter of fact -- the only everyday players to be 30 years old on Detroit is our 2nd Base platoon of Raburn and Santiago (both 30).

If Detroit was ever going to have a great shot at winning a title -- it is in the next few years.

 



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: February 29, 2012 11:02 am
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

It is a good thing no one has to convince you of anything.  According the MLB rankings for starting pitching staffs -- they ranked Detroit as the 7th best in the MLB and that was without a 5th starter being named.

Is that so? impressive! Shouldwe just hand the trophy to the Detriot Tigers right now and call it a season? 
 I think Detroit has as good of a shot as anyone.
The playoffs are a crapshoot, everyone thought Philadelphia and Boston had a good as shot as anyone last year and look how that turned out. 
You lose me on these comments -- NOWHERE in this thread did I say the Tigers were a lock to win a World Series.  Heck, I never even said they would get to the World Series.  I just said they have the TALENT to compete with the top teams.

One of the reasons you would never hear me saying anything about the world series is -- like you said, the playoffs is a crapshoot.  A team can get hot like St Louis and win it all.  A team with a pitching staff that looks unbeatable can lose because their offense can't score runs.

I'm just saying Detroit has a great balance -- they have one of the most potent offenses in the MLB.  They will be very hard to shut down with a 3-4 combo of Fielder (.415 OBP) and Cabrera (.448 OBP) (between the two - they were on base 500+ times last year on ABs that WERE NOT homeruns) 

They have one of, if not the best pitcher in the MLB right now, in Verlander and a #2 in Fister, who was dominant last year once he had Detroit's offense backing him.  They have 2 solid guys in the 3-4 roles and both young pitchers, who hopefully progress into better pitchers in 2012.  Their closer was 49 for 49 in save opportunities in 2011 with a 0.53 ERA.

Detroit's biggest issue -- Team Defense and Team Speed.  It didn't hurt the team last year, so hopefully it won't in 2012, though the move of Cabrera to 3rd base could be a circus. 



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: February 29, 2012 10:52 am
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

Who also has an albatross contract to with it, sure he'll be probably be productive for the next few years, but in those later terms of the contract he's going to be Mo Vaughn who can barely reach first base without getting thrown out.
I agree the last 1 or 2 years could possible blow up in the Tigers face.  The guy is only 27 though, so will only be 36 in the last year of his contract.  I'm sure by that time, he will be playing the same kind of role that David Ortiz is with Boston -- full time DH.  It is not like they signed Fielder till he is 40 years old -- The reason I agree though is his weight.  He is a vegan, so I'm guessing he will be able to keep his weight in check during his playing career and I'm sure the Tigers will make sure of that too.  (I hope)  LOL.



Since: May 9, 2010
Posted on: February 29, 2012 9:32 am
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

Couple those starters with a lineup that features the best hitter in the game right now, in Miguel Cabrera, and the best power hitting left hander in Prince Fielder
Who also has an albatross contract to with it, sure he'll be probably be productive for the next few years, but in those later terms of the contract he's going to be Mo Vaughn who can barely reach first base without getting thrown out.


It is a good thing no one has to convince you of anything.  According the MLB rankings for starting pitching staffs -- they ranked Detroit as the 7th best in the MLB and that was without a 5th starter being named.

Is that so? impressive! Shouldwe just hand the trophy to the Detriot Tigers right now and call it a season?
 I think Detroit has as good of a shot as anyone.
The playoffs are a crapshoot, everyone thought Philadelphia and Boston had a good as shot as anyone last year and look how that turned out. 



To put it in perspective -- Detroit hit 34 points higher as a team than Atlanta and scored 137 more runs in 2011 and added Prince Fielder to the lineup and also have Delmon Young and Brennan Boesch for a full year in 2012.
Put this into perspective- Detriot  plays in arguably the weakest division in baseball, not to mention i never compared Detriot to Atlanta. Also take into consideration Atlanta will have Michael Bourn for the whole season, another experience year for Freedie Freeman, a rookie of the year candidate in Tyler Pastronicky, a bounce back candidate in Jason Heyward and Dan Uggla, and you've got yourself a pretty nice lineup.  Probably not as good as Detriots,  notto mention the flurry of pitching prospects the Braves have.
If you want to compare stats and cherry pick only the hitting ones i can certainly do that for the pitching. The Braves had an overrall better ERA, WHIP,  more strikeouts (most in the big leagues), less walks, less batting average against, and more shutouts than the Tigers and this was with Tommy Hanson and Jair Jurrjens having down second halfs. Not to mention an atrocious Derek Lowe. So as you can see Atlanta Trumps Detriot in almost every category possible, that also includes the Bullpens.



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2012 4:56 pm
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

Tommy Hanson and Jair Jurrjens both had injurys that plagued them last year (hince the bloated era in the second half for both players) so no they're not mediocre. No matter how you slice it you can't convince me that starting 5 right now is capable of going to the World Series and competing for a championship (see last years playoffs). 
It is a good thing no one has to convince you of anything.  According the MLB rankings for starting pitching staffs -- they ranked Detroit as the 7th best in the MLB and that was without a 5th starter being named.

Couple those starters with a lineup that features the best hitter in the game right now, in Miguel Cabrera, and the best power hitting left hander in Prince Fielder -- I think Detroit has as good of a shot as anyone.  When a team has a middle of the order like this:

3. Cabrera -- top 4 AL MVP, won the batting title and averages 30+ hrs, 100+ rbis, 100+ walks, 100+ runs scored
4. Fielder -- top 4 NL MVP, hit .299 and averages 35+ hrs, 115+ rbis and last had 100+ walks and 95 runs scored
5. D. Young -- one year removed from finishing top 10 in the AL MVP -- hit 9 hrs and 32 rbis in 41 games with Detroit in 2011
6  A.Avila -- started the all-star game at catcher -- hitting .295 with 19 homeruns and 85 rbis
7. J.Peralta -- named to the all-star team in 2011 -- hit .299 with 21 homeruns and 82 rbis

Imagine what Detroit will look like when they add Victor Martinez to the lineup too -- he only hit .332 with 100+ rbi's in 2011.

To put it in perspective -- Detroit hit 34 points higher as a team than Atlanta and scored 137 more runs in 2011 and added Prince Fielder to the lineup and also have Delmon Young and Brennan Boesch for a full year in 2012.

There isn't many lineups in all of baseball better than the Tigers.  I'd say the only teams in the ballpark who could be considered better is Boston, NY and Texas.  Detroit's starting pitchers are better than Boston or NY.  Texas, it remains to be seen, as Darvish isn't a known commodity.



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2012 4:39 pm
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

Garza and Scherzer are basically the same pitcher -- both hard throwing, both strikeout pitchers.  They have almost identical stats with the one exception being -- Scherzer is under contract for a few more years for next to nothing (he was paid 600k in 2011)

Sorry but i disagree.

You can disagree all you want, but the stats don't lie.  These two guys are basically the same pitcher, except Garza is paid 10 times the amount of money and started in the MLB sooner.  So as I said -- you can disagree, but it doesn't mean you know what you are talking about.

Matt Garza is 52-54 with a career ERA of 3.84

Max Scherzer is 36-35 with a career ERA of 3.92


Matt Garza has a 2.41 strikeout to walk ratio

Max Scherzer has a 2.84 strikeout to walk ratio


Matt Garza  averages 0.83 strikeouts per IP

Max Scherzer averages 0.97 strikeouts per IP
 

Matt Garza has a career WHIP of 1.294

Max Scherzer has a career WHIP of 1.291



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2012 4:29 pm
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

So you say there's no way they're getting a upper level prospect but than go on to say they can if he stays healthy? You're all over the place dude. If Jair plays like he did through the All Star break of last year, i'll bet you money right now they'll get an elite prospect from some dumbass GM.
what is all over the place???  jair has been hurt the last two seasons -- NO TEAM is going to give up elite prospects (plural, like you said) for a pitcher that can't stay healthy.  hence the reason i said IF he is able to stay healthy thru this year -- THEN atlanta would be able to get what you think he is worth.

also, like i said -- IF jair was durable, the Braves wouldn't be looking to deal him.  it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.   



Since: Oct 7, 2006
Posted on: February 28, 2012 3:25 pm
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

They'll make a deal with the Phillies for joe Blanton (1 yr @ 8.5 mil), moving Kendrick to the 5th starter and giving us either prospects to stock our system (albeit mid-level) or a possible Polanco and Balnton deal for something of value. One can hope, right?

If you are hoping they get Joe Blanton and Placido Polanco more power to ya. Unfortunately for Philly, the Tigers are not as dumb as their fans. I would trade Turner and Castellanos for King Felix.. then you are talking a ring. 



Since: May 9, 2010
Posted on: February 28, 2012 1:59 pm
 

Tigers still might trade for a starting pitcher

The only FACT is -- Fister finished in the top 10 for WHIP and ERA in 2011 (4th in AL in ERA and 6th in the AL in WHIP).  Another fact -- it was only his 2nd full year in the MLB.  Using your logic.  If Fister is medicore -- does that mean all the  Braves starting pitchers are all mediocre, with the exception of Tim Hudson???  Fister had better numbers than every single one of them and it wasn't even close (including Hudson).  Is Craig Kimbel mediocre, because he was a rookie last year, so until he proves he can do it again, he is mediocre??  See how dumb that sounds.
Tommy Hanson and Jair Jurrjens both had injurys that plagued them last year (hince the bloated era in the second half for both players) so no they're not mediocre. No matter how you slice it you can't convince me that starting 5 right now is capable of going to the World Series and competing for a championship (see last years playoffs).


Garza and Scherzer are basically the same pitcher -- both hard throwing, both strikeout pitchers.  They have almost identical stats with the one exception being -- Scherzer is under contract for a few more years for next to nothing (he was paid 600k in 2011)

Sorry but i disagree.



I will tell you right now -- they may get a top prospect, but it won't be an upper level prospect (maybe a high A prospect).  It will be a low level prospect, as no team is going to give up MLB ready talent for a pitcher who two years running has been unable to stay healthy.  There is a reason Atlanta is trying to trade him -- if he was durable, he wouldn't be on the trading block.  You don't have to be GM to figure that out.  Only way they get a prime deal is if Jair shows he can stay healthy over the length of the season.

So you say there's no way they're getting a upper level prospect but than go on to say they can if he stays healthy? You're all over the place dude. If Jair plays like he did through the All Star break of last year, i'll bet you money right now they'll get an elite prospect from some dumbass GM.



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