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Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

Posted on: August 30, 2010 11:04 am
Edited on: August 30, 2010 11:05 am
Posted by Andy Benoit

Not surprisingly, Peyton Manning and Bill Polian are displeased -- perhaps even downright angry -- with the NFL’s new ball-spotting rule. Because umpires are now lining up in the backfield, it’s taking longer for them to spot the ball. And, after they spot the ball, they must run back to their spot some 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Consequently, the quarterback must look to the line judge to get a go-ahead to snap the ball. As we saw at Lambeau Field last Thursday night, this slows Indy’s hurry-up offense. B. Polian (US Presswire)

As usual, Sports Illustrated’s Peter King, in his most recent Monday Morning Quarterback Column, got great insight on the mess. Manning told King, "If we had this rule last year there's no way we catch up in that New England game. We were down, what, 21 points in the fourth quarter? We wouldn't have had enough time to run enough plays to catch up. But forget about that game. Let's chart all the comeback wins where a team runs the hurry-up in the fourth quarter. How many of those games would have ended up the same way -- or would the quarterbacks have had enough time to run enough plays to come back and win?''

Indy’s gripe also pertains to the snap infringement penalty (which they were flagged for twice against Green Bay). "I am dead-set against the penalty,'' Polian, who is on the Competition Committee, said. "It is insane. If I knew it would be this way, I'd have voted against it, and not only that, I'd have crusaded against it.''

It is believed that the NFL will try to fix the timing issues, though VP of officiating, Carl Johnson, doesn’t seem too creative at this point.

"The way the new mechanic of the umpire positioning is, I don't have a resolution to that,'' Johnson told King. "It's going to take a couple extra seconds to spot the ball. There's no way around that. But this is a work in progress. We're aggressively seeking ways to improve the mechanics.''

King bounces around several ideas for what the league can do to remedy the problem. A major obstacle is that the league has already acknowledged that the umpire was moved because of safety concerns. This significantly limits the possibility of simply moving the umpires back to his original spot. After all, if that were to happen, then not only would the league be saying it doesn’t care about the umpire’s safety, but it could also be liable if an umpire were to get seriously injured.

It’s safe to assume that when the apparently hasty decision to relocate the umpire was made, the NFL did not foresee having to deal with so many issues this close to the start of the regular season.

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Since: Feb 17, 2009
Posted on: August 30, 2010 1:44 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

AHHH.... The new American Dream: Complain about your job and have it eliminated. Computerize the whole damn thing!!!! Eliminate the millions of insurance agent jobs in the country!!! Change...Change...CHANGE!!!!!!  The only sport the people still own a part of may as well right??

Since: Aug 31, 2006
Posted on: August 30, 2010 1:40 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

How about something like not running the clock while the umpire is out of position?  Or allowing him to signal that he's ready even if he isn't all the way there?  I saw the replay of the play in question and I have to agree...this could really screw up a 2 minute drill.

Since: Feb 17, 2009
Posted on: August 30, 2010 1:39 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

Amazing how many people promote "change", safety and happines to all in one sentence and manage to offend every female on the planet in the next. Pick your party clowns.

Since: Oct 6, 2006
Posted on: August 30, 2010 1:38 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

Regarding changes in the last two minutes to allow the "hurry-up" offense - any rule that must be changed in the final minutes is a rule that should not exist.  When leagues start tinkering with how games are called depending on the clock rather than the action itself, I believe it affects the overall integrity of the game.  I still hate the fact that when a close play occurs late in the game, I have to look at the clock to see if the review will happen due to a coach request or a booth ruling.  The rules for the first play of the game should be the same as the rules for the last play of the game.  Theoretically, each play of an entire game has equal potential to effect the outcome of the game.

Should Dustin Johnson's grounding of the club not have been called because it happened on 18 rather than the first hole?

Should McCann's homer for the Braves yesterday (game winner in the 9th) have been left as a double if had happened in the 3rd inning?

Since: Aug 14, 2008
Posted on: August 30, 2010 1:37 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

Never has been, and never will be, anything "safe" about being on an NFL field. If the league would stop using old men for refs this problem of them being unable to keep out the way wouldn't exist anyway. Get senior citizens off the field and that would fix the problem better than an intrusive rule change.

Since: Oct 5, 2006
Posted on: August 30, 2010 1:36 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

IF you are an elite team in the NFL then why are your down 21 points in the 4th quarter?  Hold your defense more accountable and maybe keep the score within 14 points.  Or maybe try and score a few more points yourself before the start of the 4th.  The offense already holds a huge advantage running the hurry up.  Like the quick snap that catches the D with 12 men on the field or the quick snap QB sneak on 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1.  What happened to lining up and playing football?  Both sides of the ball should get a chance to get set in order to play.  You mena to tell me that on every single quick snap on 3rd and 4th down doesn't have a flase start or an illegal formation.  I am willing to bet that more then 50% of them do.  With this new rule you might even see it called, or see less of it because every offensive player has to wait for the ball to be spotted and the refs to be set.

Since: May 31, 2007
Posted on: August 30, 2010 12:56 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

it will throw a wrench into any team that runs that hurry up offense later in the 4th quarter and is out of time-outsThat's my only concern with this rule right now.  I don't much care about rhythm offenses (they can learn to adjust), and I'm fine with teams not being able to run the crossing picks and whatnot.  And I'm certainly fine with refs not getting plastered.

My only question is, how can they adjust it so that teams can run their 2-minute drills?  Those pressure-runs at the ends of halves and games are often some of the most exciting times of the contest.

I guess what they have to decide is:  do they need to come up with a creative way to let it speed back up (at least under certain circumstances), or would they rather allow the rule to completely alter late-game strategy and the way that the last few minutes of the half are typically played.

Although I have to say, even as a Colts fan, I'm perfectly content to see it eliminate those quick-snap, 12-men-on-the-field penalties.  I always feel like those are cheap shots... just like those last-second time-outs where the kicker is already making his approach on the ball. 

Since: Dec 6, 2006
Posted on: August 30, 2010 12:44 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

How is the back judge going to get "creamed on a screen pass"? I wasn't aware the quarterback usually throws the ball 10 yards backwards.
The rule doesn't eliminate 4th quarter comebacks like the other person said either. Inside of two minutes they go back to their old position. The Colts haven't got a whole lot to complain about here. They used to take advantage of a flawed system. Now, its harder to prevent the other team from making substitutions. So instead of complaining, why not go out there and prove your players are better than their substitutes? Is it really that hard for the greatest quarterback the world has ever seen to beat second string corners?

Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: August 30, 2010 12:17 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

Sounds like a built in excuse for why Peyton will fail yet again to win the Superbowl with a superior team. What did the umpire have to do with Peyton throwing a Superbowl ending pick 6?

The bottom line: Life ain't fair. Once you realize that there are two options:

1. Take it like a Man, realize the NFL is not only trying to protect its refs from injury, but also eliminating the chances of screening the defensive player on a quick slant - a play that every NFL team runs in hopes the Ump will get in the way.


2. Whine and cry like a Woman about how life's not fair then throw temper tantrums. Funny that Manning and Polians crying about the Patriots DB's being too physical led to the special emphasis on illegal contact making it 5 and a 1st down if anyone even sneezes on Reggie Wayne. Now a rule goes the other way, and it's not fair.

Let me be the first to Congratulate you on 13 more REGULAR SEASON wins in 2010 with nothing to show for it but a bottom 5 pick in the 2011 NFL Draft.

No, a real man works to change obvious and glaring problems.  Only sheep and children "accept" problems.  Anyone knowlegdable about football will know the crap procedure penalties will outweigh any possible (which is none in this case) benefit from limiting the pick play.  The first time the back judge gets creamed on a screen pass I will laugh as hard as I can at this stupid rule, which does nothing for safety as it claims.

For someone who claims not to like whining and crying, whys is your entire post one big anti-Manning temper tantrum? 

It is very simple, those who know and love football will despise this rule.  Those that support it simply don't know that much about football.

Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: August 30, 2010 12:11 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

Let us be clear - the new rule will not increase safety.  It sickens me to even hear that the NFL is focusing on safety while they are discussing adding two games out of the other side of their mouth.  Drew Brees got flagged for this crap rule many times in the Saint's second pre-season game.  Without a doubt, it slows down play, hurst good offenses, hurts competition, hurts the entertainment value, all without doing ANYTHING to make the game safer.  This is a classic case of fail.  Every factor weighed on this issue falls on the side of "get rid of it".  In light of recent offical struggles, and there have been many, many struggles (see the Monday night game between New Orleans and the Vikings two years ago - worst officiated game ever). which are getting worse, not better.  So the NFL in their infinite wisdom decide to let the zebras have more impact rather than less on the game.

Stupid stupid rule.  No one can possibly suport this (unles their team has terrible offense) if they enjoy football.  This is worse than the clock rule changes they made in college.

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