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Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

Posted on: August 30, 2010 11:04 am
Edited on: August 30, 2010 11:05 am
 
Posted by Andy Benoit

Not surprisingly, Peyton Manning and Bill Polian are displeased -- perhaps even downright angry -- with the NFL’s new ball-spotting rule. Because umpires are now lining up in the backfield, it’s taking longer for them to spot the ball. And, after they spot the ball, they must run back to their spot some 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Consequently, the quarterback must look to the line judge to get a go-ahead to snap the ball. As we saw at Lambeau Field last Thursday night, this slows Indy’s hurry-up offense. B. Polian (US Presswire)

As usual, Sports Illustrated’s Peter King, in his most recent Monday Morning Quarterback Column, got great insight on the mess. Manning told King, "If we had this rule last year there's no way we catch up in that New England game. We were down, what, 21 points in the fourth quarter? We wouldn't have had enough time to run enough plays to catch up. But forget about that game. Let's chart all the comeback wins where a team runs the hurry-up in the fourth quarter. How many of those games would have ended up the same way -- or would the quarterbacks have had enough time to run enough plays to come back and win?''

Indy’s gripe also pertains to the snap infringement penalty (which they were flagged for twice against Green Bay). "I am dead-set against the penalty,'' Polian, who is on the Competition Committee, said. "It is insane. If I knew it would be this way, I'd have voted against it, and not only that, I'd have crusaded against it.''

It is believed that the NFL will try to fix the timing issues, though VP of officiating, Carl Johnson, doesn’t seem too creative at this point.

"The way the new mechanic of the umpire positioning is, I don't have a resolution to that,'' Johnson told King. "It's going to take a couple extra seconds to spot the ball. There's no way around that. But this is a work in progress. We're aggressively seeking ways to improve the mechanics.''

King bounces around several ideas for what the league can do to remedy the problem. A major obstacle is that the league has already acknowledged that the umpire was moved because of safety concerns. This significantly limits the possibility of simply moving the umpires back to his original spot. After all, if that were to happen, then not only would the league be saying it doesn’t care about the umpire’s safety, but it could also be liable if an umpire were to get seriously injured.

It’s safe to assume that when the apparently hasty decision to relocate the umpire was made, the NFL did not foresee having to deal with so many issues this close to the start of the regular season.

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Comments

Since: Oct 2, 2006
Posted on: August 31, 2010 6:01 am
 

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

Guys, let's be realistic here. As Schmalzel said, "If it 'aint broke, don't fix it !" And ALL of us know that our team, whoever it is, is going to get hosed by this ridiculous change sooner or later. If I were Roger Goodell and the NFL owners, I would trash this rule RIGHT NOW ! There is no need for this type of change !

I also agree with the original poster. This will kill the excitement of the hurry-up offense. The NFL is hurting 'its product.

That being said, I find it hilarious that once again, it's Peyton, Polian and the Colts that are crying the loudest. Everyone, including many Colts fans always lambaste Tom Brady and the NFL for the rules prohibiting certain hits on the QB. And it was Polian that whined loudly until the league changed and implemented the illegal contact and pass interference rules that Polian knew would allow Reggie Wayne to roam freely among defensive secondaries. Where a flag would be thrown if the DBs flatulated in Wayne's direction or looked at him the wrong way. Peyton is among the loudest whiners in sports. No surprise that this involves him.



Since: Aug 20, 2006
Posted on: August 31, 2010 5:39 am
 

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

I am a Peyton manning fan but it seems like the league is always trying to protect the offensive player from getting hurt or being interfered with. Its about time they make a change to help the defense. (even though thats not what they were trying to do)



Since: Aug 25, 2006
Posted on: August 31, 2010 5:19 am
 

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

The funniest thing is Polian voted for the rule. This is the same guy who complained years ago about DBs hitting Wrs and got the rule changed because the Colts WRs were getting slapped around by the Patriots and he and Manning were all upset because they could not beat them.

Two of the biggest cry babies in the NFL who cannot win in the big games.



Since: Aug 12, 2007
Posted on: August 31, 2010 3:54 am
 

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

Seriously, why even have so many refs on the field these days? Have one guy spot the ball and get out of the way, another guy with an ear piece, who announces calls made by refs in a booth watching a TV screen. They can see everything nowadays, with multiple camera angles in high definition, so they can call offsides, interference, TD scores, etc all from a booth, where they'll be nice and comfy and safe.



Since: Apr 12, 2008
Posted on: August 31, 2010 3:34 am
 

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules


ITS BECAUSE IF YOU READ THE ARTICLE, THE UMPIRE IS NOW IN THE BACKFIELD 10 YARDS BEHIND THE LINE, WHEN HE USED TO BE ON THE DEFENSIVE SIDE OF THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE 10 YARDS OFF OF THE LINE.  APPARENTLY YOU CAN'T READ OR DON'T KNOW FOOTBALL. SO I PUT THIS IN CAPS SO YOU MIGHT GET IT THIS TIME.  YOU SEE THEY USED TO USE THE "UMPIRE" AS A SCREEN ON DEFENDERS ON MANY ROUTES, AND NOW THEY CAN'T BECAUSE HE IS IN THE BACKFIELD.  ONCE AGAIN IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BACK JUDGE WHO STILL IS BEHIND THE LINE.  GOT IT?  PROBABLY NOT!
HEY MORRON!!! Maybe you should read you made that guys point. Yeah the Umpire is now on the offensive side of the ball, to the best of my knowlege I never seen a screen pass that is ten yards behind the line of scrimmage (WHAT YOU DONT THINK THE UMPIRE CAN MOVE OUT OF THE WAY). I mean get real you just keep waiting for that to happen and you will never get to laugh your ass off. Oh yeah your right about using the umpire as a screen on the defensive side.  So now Manning and the Colts actually have to play the defenders not use the ref as a tool to screen defenders. One word Manning "ADAPT" Your the best QB in the league (well second best maybe third, Brady  #1 and maybe Brees #2) Quit you whining and adapt to the new rules find another way to get cheap yards. This is just typical Manning BS. He got called for a violation of the 2010 rules and he can not accept that so he whines like a little girl, throws a hissy fit, and sadly enough will probably get his way.. Hey Peyton would you like some cheese to go with you Whine. 



Didn't say screen pass idiot.  Said used umpire as a screen.  Big difference.  In other words a short crossing route when you cross behind umpire.  But again you make a pt that explains that you don't understand the point.  So go ahead and make yoursel sound ignorant.



Since: May 18, 2009
Posted on: August 31, 2010 12:54 am
 

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

Whine and cry like a woman? Funny words comming from a Steelers fan. Do you mean "cry" like those woman who Roethlisberger had his way with the past 2 summers. Think you have bigger concerns than Manning complaining. All you have to look forward to is the Steelers missing the playoffs...Bud. Hope that was worth missing 4 games for DUMBASS!!!
And yes the Rule sucks, trust me, you'll be pissing and moaning about it by week 2.



Since: Oct 18, 2006
Posted on: August 31, 2010 12:16 am
 

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

There seems to be a lot of back biting and sarcastic exchanges going on but when I read through the clutter, there may actually be some ideas worth serious consideration. First point is really not as off the wall as it might seem. IMO the fastest game is hockey and the refs have to be going up and down the ice with the play. granted, they don't have 100 yards but they wear helmets and for the most part, I say again, for the most part do a great job seeing serious penalties. They do of course miss one now and then but the linesmen can add input on serious violations. If the refs in hockey can wear helmets I see no reason at all officials in the NFL can't. If the ears are covered vents/holes/openings can be added as needed.
Second point, the former head of officials (I forget his name) who was hired by Fox made it perfectly clear during the Denver/Pittsburgh game last night that it was unreasonable to have the Qb looking behind his back when he should be scanning the defense. He had no doubt there will be some sort of change which leads to the idea, combined from a couple of previous posts, if a linesman spots the ball and gives that full circular arm motion to put the ball in play I see no reason why the ball can't be spotted before all the players are up to the line and the center can touch the ball at that time to set the line, call out alignments and snap in 2 - 3 seconds. Drop the rule where the line has to be set for second (I always thought that was stupid anyway), line judge sets the ball backs out and when the in play motion is given by the linesman, set, touch, snap.
If none of those seem to make sense, my last suggestion would be to have one of the Williams sisters run out from the sidelines, place the ball and run off the field like the ball chasers in tennis. Heck, those gals might even be able to play free safety. Of course, there's only two of them and what, like 8 games on Sunday? Hey I know, start each play like a rugby scrum, now THAT would be entertainment!



Since: Aug 30, 2010
Posted on: August 30, 2010 11:54 pm
 

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

How is the back judge going to get "creamed on a screen pass"? I wasn't aware the quarterback usually throws the ball 10 yards backwards.
The rule doesn't eliminate 4th quarter comebacks like the other person said either. Inside of two minutes they go back to their old position. The Colts haven't got a whole lot to complain about here. They used to take advantage of a flawed system. Now, its harder to prevent the other team from making substitutions. So instead of complaining, why not go out there and prove your players are better than their substitutes? Is it really that hard for the greatest quarterback the world has ever seen to beat second string corners



ITS BECAUSE IF YOU READ THE ARTICLE, THE UMPIRE IS NOW IN THE BACKFIELD 10 YARDS BEHIND THE LINE, WHEN HE USED TO BE ON THE DEFENSIVE SIDE OF THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE 10 YARDS OFF OF THE LINE.  APPARENTLY YOU CAN'T READ OR DON'T KNOW FOOTBALL. SO I PUT THIS IN CAPS SO YOU MIGHT GET IT THIS TIME.  YOU SEE THEY USED TO USE THE "UMPIRE" AS A SCREEN ON DEFENDERS ON MANY ROUTES, AND NOW THEY CAN'T BECAUSE HE IS IN THE BACKFIELD.  ONCE AGAIN IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BACK JUDGE WHO STILL IS BEHIND THE LINE.  GOT IT?  PROBABLY NOT!

HEY MORRON!!! Maybe you should read you made that guys point. Yeah the Umpire is now on the offensive side of the ball, to the best of my knowlege I never seen a screen pass that is ten yards behind the line of scrimmage (WHAT YOU DONT THINK THE UMPIRE CAN MOVE OUT OF THE WAY). I mean get real you just keep waiting for that to happen and you will never get to laugh your ass off. Oh yeah your right about using the umpire as a screen on the defensive side.  So now Manning and the Colts actually have to play the defenders not use the ref as a tool to screen defenders. One word Manning "ADAPT" Your the best QB in the league (well second best maybe third, Brady  #1 and maybe Brees #2) Quit you whining and adapt to the new rules find another way to get cheap yards. This is just typical Manning BS. He got called for a violation of the 2010 rules and he can not accept that so he whines like a little girl, throws a hissy fit, and sadly enough will probably get his way.. Hey Peyton would you like some cheese to go with you Whine. 



Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: August 30, 2010 11:29 pm
 

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

Why not have the ref wear pads????? He would be safer, and the game wouldn't be slowed down...



Since: Aug 30, 2010
Posted on: August 30, 2010 11:25 pm
 

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

Is it just me? If T.O.  or Mark Cuban (I know I switched sports but the point is the same) openly critizied a league policy in an interview, called it dumb and stupid would they not be fined? Ocho Cinco just got fined $25,000.00 for tweeting during a preseason game.



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