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Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

Posted on: August 30, 2010 11:04 am
Edited on: August 30, 2010 11:05 am
Posted by Andy Benoit

Not surprisingly, Peyton Manning and Bill Polian are displeased -- perhaps even downright angry -- with the NFL’s new ball-spotting rule. Because umpires are now lining up in the backfield, it’s taking longer for them to spot the ball. And, after they spot the ball, they must run back to their spot some 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Consequently, the quarterback must look to the line judge to get a go-ahead to snap the ball. As we saw at Lambeau Field last Thursday night, this slows Indy’s hurry-up offense. B. Polian (US Presswire)

As usual, Sports Illustrated’s Peter King, in his most recent Monday Morning Quarterback Column, got great insight on the mess. Manning told King, "If we had this rule last year there's no way we catch up in that New England game. We were down, what, 21 points in the fourth quarter? We wouldn't have had enough time to run enough plays to catch up. But forget about that game. Let's chart all the comeback wins where a team runs the hurry-up in the fourth quarter. How many of those games would have ended up the same way -- or would the quarterbacks have had enough time to run enough plays to come back and win?''

Indy’s gripe also pertains to the snap infringement penalty (which they were flagged for twice against Green Bay). "I am dead-set against the penalty,'' Polian, who is on the Competition Committee, said. "It is insane. If I knew it would be this way, I'd have voted against it, and not only that, I'd have crusaded against it.''

It is believed that the NFL will try to fix the timing issues, though VP of officiating, Carl Johnson, doesn’t seem too creative at this point.

"The way the new mechanic of the umpire positioning is, I don't have a resolution to that,'' Johnson told King. "It's going to take a couple extra seconds to spot the ball. There's no way around that. But this is a work in progress. We're aggressively seeking ways to improve the mechanics.''

King bounces around several ideas for what the league can do to remedy the problem. A major obstacle is that the league has already acknowledged that the umpire was moved because of safety concerns. This significantly limits the possibility of simply moving the umpires back to his original spot. After all, if that were to happen, then not only would the league be saying it doesn’t care about the umpire’s safety, but it could also be liable if an umpire were to get seriously injured.

It’s safe to assume that when the apparently hasty decision to relocate the umpire was made, the NFL did not foresee having to deal with so many issues this close to the start of the regular season.

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Since: Aug 12, 2006
Posted on: August 30, 2010 2:57 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

Typical Peyton and Polian. Hey Peyton it's never your fault it's the O-line didnt block, the reciever didn't run the right route, the RB missed a block.

Since: Nov 16, 2006
Posted on: August 30, 2010 2:52 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

 Sure everyone needs to play to the same rules, but when a team like the Colts have a style of play like no other team, and a new rule effects one team for all 60 minutes and the other 31 teams when behind negatively, then the rule isn't a very good rule. The Colts offense is based on them being ready at the line and calling plays based on what the defense is showing. Peyton and Polian have every right to complain, because they will need to change their offense after running it a certain way for 12+ years. It's not like Peyton is a 2nd or 3rd year player, he has been in the league for 10+ years and the Colts have run this style of offense or something similar for several years. And in the case of the two penalties that were called, it wasn't the Colts fault that the Ref was a little plump and was not in position. The Colts have been running their offense for 10+ years and the league has yet to stop them from being a top 5 offense. Rules shouldn't deter a team from being successful, that should be the oppositions job.
 And in regards to the defensive holding rule change, anyone that saw the AFC championship game in 02 or 03 (or whatever year it was), would have to have to be blind to see that the DB's were not being overly touchy during that game. Whether the outcome would have been different, I doubt it, but the AFC East teams (New England and Miami specifically) had notoriously over-aggressive DB's throughout the 90's and even today. Being aggressive is fine, but holding and doing other illegal things to make sure the WR's don't catch the ball are against the rules.
 I agree the Colts WR's sometimes get the benefit of the calls, but so does every other team. And the reason the Colts get the calls, is because Peyton/Reggie combo is so consistent, that when there is a play that doesn't go as planned, the refs natural thought process is that there must have been a holding. The Colts run mostly timing routes, which means, Peyton doesn't necessarily throw it to a player, but rather to a spot where the player should be at x seconds.
Anyways something needs to be done to make the new rule more team friendly. Because the NFL's words are safety,safety, safety, but the majority of their actions say otherwise.

Since: May 17, 2008
Posted on: August 30, 2010 2:51 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

I agree 100%, however, it does not seem to be the referees on the field complainig. Thier UNION and TV announcers are all I have heard anything from. Another case of misrepresentation by elected officials?? It is happening in a state near you I gaurantee it.

WTF?  The referees union IS the referees---the union talks for its membership.  Second, what "elected officials"?  I do not recall voting for the leadership of the NFL Officials union  You say you've not hear the referees compplaining about the old rule (except of course through their union) and you may be right but I have also not heard them complaining about the new rule so where is the "misrepresentation by elected officials?  I certainly don't think ANYBODY elected the TV announcers either -- maybe I missed that election---and what, exactly, did the TV announcers misrepresent?

Since: Aug 16, 2008
Posted on: August 30, 2010 2:46 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

Why is it a Steeler fan can't post anything anymore? First "Halo it's raping not rapping at least use spellcheck since you can't. He's not been accused of being a musician. Second drop it. We know what happened and aren't defending him. This thread had nothing to do with Big Ben until your insipid comments.

Since: May 17, 2008
Posted on: August 30, 2010 2:46 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

Easy Solution - Let the center spot the ball... the linesmen can keep an eye on him and penalize him for any misalignments... heck, the center almost always moves the ball forward a little bit anyway whenever he hikes it... allowing the center to mark the ball gives the umpire the extra time needed to get him in a safe position and gives the offensive team a better chance to manage the clock when they are in their hurry-up offense... All the umpire will be required to do between plays is to collect the ball after each play and hand it to the center. I think this could be done the whole game but at least in the last two minutes of each half.

You have to be really want to just have the umpire hand the ball to the center and say "go ahead and spot it  yourself, I trust you" on, say 3rd or 4th and inches in a tight game?  Are you going to let the defense challenge the spot MADE BY THE OPPOSING TEAM rather than a neutral official?  You say the linesman could penalize the center for any "misalignments" but, again, what if we're talking about mere inches, how close do you have to be before its a penalty?  How do you determine intent versus mistake before leveling what could be a critical penalty in a tight game?  IMO, this is a terrible idea.  There are only two options for the NFL at this point: (1) ditch the rule or (2) tell teams, "sorry, you're just going to have to live with the fact that it may take 1 or 2 extra seconds to run the play" --- realitively few games come down to 1 second, or even a few seconds, so the impact is negligible...teams like the Colts will just have to get used to running plays in 15 seconds instead of 13 or 14 (just an example, I don't know how long they take -- the point is we're talking about 2 seconds, not a lot extra the defense can do in 2 seconds).

Since: Aug 30, 2010
Posted on: August 30, 2010 2:41 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

This is so easy a fix.

Just stop the clock from the time the ball is placed and until the umpire gets in position.

That should stop play about 3-5 seconds no more.

Since: Aug 31, 2006
Posted on: August 30, 2010 2:34 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

Everyone plays to the same play and quit whining!  Adjust, adjust, adjust!  Life is all about adjustments.

Since: Mar 15, 2007
Posted on: August 30, 2010 2:32 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

Imagine that, a Steelers fan talking chit. You don’t even serve a good point, the topic has nothing to do with Indy winning or losing or throwing a pick 6... It has to do with a new rule in the NFL. Just thought I'd clear that up for you seeing as you're too narrow minded to see the big picture.

See unlike Big Ben or who ever the hell your QB is going to be since Ben cant stop hanging around 18 and over bars and rapping chicks in public bathrooms, Payton can call plays from the line because again unlike Ben, Payton has a clue. That’s Indy’s entire game play and with the new rule it makes them have to pretty much start from scratch and learn the game all over again, hence the reason they are so upset about it.

Next time you decide to rag on a team that actually made the playoffs maybe you should make sure your team does too especially after coming off a super bowl controversy win.

Since: Jan 10, 2007
Posted on: August 30, 2010 2:27 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

when isn't Polian bitching about the rules? He just wants what's best for HIS team

Since: Aug 7, 2007
Posted on: August 30, 2010 2:26 pm

Manning, Polian detest new ball-spotting rules

Yes, life isn't fair. If it was, you wouldn't be allowed to post stupid comments on here.
If the Colts were your favorite team, you would be upset.

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