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Kolb fails concussion test, Vick with 1st team

Posted on: September 15, 2010 1:31 pm
Edited on: September 15, 2010 1:43 pm
 
Posted by Will Brinson

The quarterback controversy that exists in Philadelphia (without really existing, technically speaking) should be fairly calm until Sunday, as it appears that Kevin Kolb is somewhat unlikely to play after not passing the second phase of the concussion test on Wednesday.

Stewart Bradley, the linebacker who suffered a concussion on Sunday, also failed the second phase of the concussion test, although they have "made progress" since Monday according to Reid.

According to the Philadelphia Daily News , because of Kolb's status, Michael Vick will take the first team reps Wednesday and Thursday, although Andy Reid declined to discuss Friday.

"We'll take Friday as it comes," Reid said.

Reid also said that "Kevin knows he the guy" which is the same mantra he's repeated since Sunday and the same one he'll repeat until Kolb is ready to play.

The issue will be if Vick has a monster game on Sunday -- the Eagles play the Lions, so it's entirely possible -- and causes fans to clamor for his ascension to the starting role .

"If I'm the guy then I'm going to get ready to try to put this team in position to win and that's the ultimate goal," Vick said according to the Eagles' website . "I don't really go out and try to prove to anybody that I can still play this game. The primary focus is to put this team in a position to win whenever I'm on the field. You can't go out and try to prove yourself because that's adding pressure to this game and it's already hard as it is."

"I just have to make the most out of the opportunity and try to help this football team win until Kevin comes back and he's healthy," Vick added.

But as I've said before , Reid simply won't make Vick his starter and he (Vick) seems to know that and is 100 percent committed to passing along the same message as Reid, which is a good thing.

It makes zero sense from a PR perspective , particularly since it's fully understood that he's all-in on Kolb as the quarterback of the future. The concussion issue, provided that Kolb doesn't play entirely atrociously when he returns, is simply an easy out for Reid and the coaching staff to let Vick play as much as he needed.

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Since: Apr 18, 2010
Posted on: September 15, 2010 8:54 pm
 

Kolb fails concussion test, Vick with 1st team

First of all, Peyton manning could take the lions to the playoffs this year if he was traded today.  Vick is not accurate.  His touchdown pass was six feet lower than it should have been.  The last drive he did nothing but run.  The third down before the field goal he missed three wide open guys, then could have easily ran in for the score.  Instead he stared down desean and almost had it picked.  If we had Peyton, id be making travel plans to texas in february.



Since: Sep 3, 2006
Posted on: September 15, 2010 4:35 pm
 

Kolb fails concussion test, Vick with 1st team

Anytime anyone in the National Football League rushes for more than 100 yards in a half is always a good thing. 100 yards on the ground is 100 yards. No matter who gets it. Stop being biased.



Since: Sep 3, 2006
Posted on: September 15, 2010 4:32 pm
 

Kolb fails concussion test, Vick with 1st team

Everything you say is true. His accuracy is slightly questionable, but his talent and playmaking ability is what makes Mike Vick a great player.
The last season Vick started before his prison time he passed for only 2,474 yards but picked up 1,039 yards on the ground and 55 total first downs with his legs.  Look at last weeks game against Green Bay. Who took over the game more for the Eagles? Vick or Kolb? Vick's ability to make a play when almost every other quarterback would get sacked is amazing. Watch the highlights to that Green Bay game last week on youtube. I would not take atleast half of the existing quartbacks in the league over Vick because of his playmaking ability.



Since: Oct 4, 2007
Posted on: September 15, 2010 3:43 pm
 

Kolb fails concussion test, Vick with 1st team

redwings1969, as an Eagles fan, I hope you are wrong about Vick.  I can't believe people would want to build a team around this guy as a QB.  He is an exciting player to watch at times, but I just want a quarterback under center that is consistent and efficient.  Vick is neither of those things.  He can't read defenses and when the other team has time to prepare for him, he is containable because he isn't a very good quarterback.  Exotic blitz packages and "mush rush" defenses have ALWAYS contained him in the past.  Hell, the Eagles manhandled him in his final playoff game as a Falcon.  The amount of blunting he did to the growth of the Falcon receivers was so obvious after he left.  I would hate for that to happen to a young Eagles offense that has so many potential playmakers.  Vick will never give them enough time to run the complete route and make plays.  The guy is in for one half of football and rushes for 100 yards.  That's NOT a good thing.  If the Eagles had no weapons, then okay run run and run some more.  But, with so many skills WRs and a good RB, the QB rushing for 100 is BAD!  He will always be a run first QB because he is just not good at progressions and he has no patience.  So, from this Eagles fan to you as a Lions fan, I say pass on Vick.  Kolb is hopefully the future, that's why you traded away an aging pro bowl QB.  Kolb HAS to get an entire season to see what you have in him.  If he stinks, then oh well.  Draft a QB again with the high pick that you will inevitably have.  If he's good, then that is why you drafted him in the first place.


GO BIRDS



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: September 15, 2010 3:25 pm
 

Kolb fails concussion test, Vick with 1st team

I keep hearing how wonderful he is.  His overall record is 38-28-1.  The best season was 11-4.  Other than that with him at QB his teams are usually around .500.  He has a career playoff record of 2-2.  He's thrown over 2500 yards in one season only.  And he still didn't get over 3000 yards.   Yes he has a strong arm, but he has no accuracy.  He does run well.  I'm not saying the guy sucks, but he is definitely not some elite QB.  I would easily take over half of the existing starting QB's in the league over him at this point.  Probably more.  Eagles with him as their starter go 9-7 tops.
First of all, 38-28-1 with the teams he had in front of him is pretty darn good.  Let me educate you on who he played for, the Atlanta Falcons.  You obviously don't know this, but when Vick left they made several changes that Vick didn't have the luxury of enjoying.  Vick had a terrible oline in front of him for years,,,  TERRIBLE... not average,, awful   They revamped almost their entire oline in one off season successfully after he left...  they also picked up a pretty good back named Michael Turner after Vick left.. he didn't have a running back nearly as good.  The only reason Atlanta did as well as they did was because of Vick....

The fact you admit that about half of the qb's in the league are better then Vick ( I don't agree but I'll play along) proves that Vick is going to be a very rich man again whether you Vick haters like it or not.  Why? Because Vick is better then half of the starting qb's in football which guarantees him a job as long as he wants one and is healthy to accept one.  When you consider that half of the qb's that are better are untouchable and teams will never acquire for any price that leaves a select few qbs that are better then Vick anybody is able to acquire.

Regardless of who you would take, here are some teams by division I KNOW in my mind don't have a better qb on their roster then Vick

Buffalo, Miami, Jets
Washington
Cleveland
Chicago
Jacksonville
Carolina, tampa
kc, oakland
Arizona, san fran

And I was being nice here because there are a host of other teams i'm not sure of.   I'm not sure if Flacco, Rivers, Hasselback, Orton, Kolb, Bradford, Stafford, etc are better then him.  Two are either rookies or 2nd year players that have proven nothing yet and the others have collectively done nothing special at all.

Vick will have a starting job in the NFL starting next season HANDED TO HIM for millions of dollars in guaranteed money...... wait and see





Since: Sep 15, 2010
Posted on: September 15, 2010 3:13 pm
 

Kolb fails concussion test, Vick with 1st team

I can't believe so many people use the same statistics to determine how good a player is...Statistics lie...Put any QB on the team Vick had in Atlanta and they'd be laughable. He took that team in Atlanta to the playoffs multiple times and its obvious they had no top level talent  compared to his counterparts. I know you think a QB is only supposed to throw the ball but his ultimate goal is to put his team in the best position to win. Vick excelled despite the fact that he was a weed-head and never studied film. All the best QB's in the league, from your point of view are players who had teams built to fit their best attributes...meaning...the team owner drafted receivers, an offensive line, and a consistent RB, and probably a pass happy offensive coordinator before the player was able to excel. Vick has never had those attributes in place. Yes I'm a big Vick fan, but I'm a realist as well...If you take Peyton Manning and put him on the Bills, in 3 years with Great additions they might be a playoff, with Vick this year they possibly would be. You say Vick has no accuracy, but that's based on statistics as well...watch him throw...he is accurate...I think he sometimes over throws when it isn't necessary or lacks finesse at times but that can be fixed.  His athleticism is quite an advantage. The biggest problem for Vick is that the NFL is a copy cat league. Most coaches have a routine that players need to fit into and the coaches aren't creative enough to diversify. If Vick played for the Patriots instead of Brady, he'd probably be the most dangerous QB in the league history. Belichick is one of the few coaches who tries to change his strategies to best suit the team. I would like to see the list of QB's you'd take over Vick...



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: September 15, 2010 2:33 pm
 

Kolb fails concussion test, Vick with 1st team

What is it with you Vick lovers?  I keep hearing how wonderful he is.  His overall record is 38-28-1.  The best season was 11-4.  Other than that with him at QB his teams are usually around .500.  He has a career playoff record of 2-2.  He's thrown over 2500 yards in one season only.  And he still didn't get over 3000 yards.   Yes he has a strong arm, but he has no accuracy.  He does run well.  I'm not saying the guy sucks, but he is definitely not some elite QB.  I would easily take over half of the existing starting QB's in the league over him at this point.  Probably more.  Eagles with him as their starter go 9-7 tops. 



Since: Nov 23, 2009
Posted on: September 15, 2010 2:28 pm
 

Kolb fails concussion test, Vick with 1st team

One week is not enough. The league is way behind on the issue and is trying to catch up. The long-term effects are just beginning to be understood. 
The NFL will need to reinvent the helmet. NASCAR adopted safer barriers and the HANS device for helmets. But it took the death of Dale Earnhardt to move them to the next step in safety. The NFL may now be approaching it's post-Dale Earnhardt era with players and ex-players dying and suffering.
Football needs a helmet that softens the blow to the point which the brain does not compress and tear inside ths skull. The current hard shell helmet might need to be replaced by something "high tech". I doubt any type of air bag would work, but something creative is needed to soften the blows to the head. I'm sure some creative minds are working on it as we speak. 

 




Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: September 15, 2010 2:04 pm
 

Kolb fails concussion test, Vick with 1st team

It doesn't matter what Andy Reid says publicly because the bottom line is Kolb is guaranteed nothing.  There are very few players as a percentage in the NFL that can get hurt and know that 100 percent the job is theirs when they return.  Kolb is certainly not one of those players and quite possibly never will be.  Guys like Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, etc  are in that category.. not him.

Last year I was made fun of on these boards when I said the Eagles would excersise Vick's option year at over 5 million dollars.  I was  told I was nuts and they were just using him for some gimmick plays for one year and basically will use him as trade bait if he does well.  I laughed out loud at that because they would never have taken the p.r risk they took for a guy that's never going to play.

By mid season and no longer then 10 or 11 games at the latest there will be no question that Vick is the starting qb for the Eagles.  He will excel and play to the best of his ability and earn a long term deal with a lot more cash attached to it then this contract had.

People keep saying the guy can't throw but that's nonesense.  You don't get drafted where he did in the NFL if you can't throw a spiral.  Can he throw lasers 40 yards down field right at somebody's chest ? Maybe not.  But Vick is a HUGE THREAT to defences that have to face him.

You always have to guess right because if you don't, you're screwed.  Leave him the smallest hole and he can take it to the house. Leave him the smallest hole and that 3rd and 12 becomes a first down.   When he starts running you better pray your db's stay put because if he doesn't cross the line of scrimmage and a wide reciever is open he'll get it there.

Tough.. very tough player to defend.   I'm a Lions fan but I think he's going to dominate the Lions this week. Before you say that it's only the Lions you just wait and see how many other teams he does well against... just like last week.



Since: Mar 21, 2010
Posted on: September 15, 2010 2:03 pm
 

Kolb fails concussion test, Vick with 1st team

Knowing what is now known about the debilitating long-term effects of concussions I would like to see not only the National Football League but all sports leagues make it mandatory that a player suffering a concussion to have to sit out a minimum of week, and not penalize the team for having make a roster move sort of like the way the Bereavement List is set up.

 It is better to exercise an ounce of prevention now then to have ton of mental problems for these players after their careers are over.



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