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Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

Posted on: December 14, 2010 3:31 pm
Edited on: December 15, 2010 3:43 pm
 

Posted by Andy Benoit

UPDATE 3:42 p.m. ET: Turns out Zach Thomas was right: the Jets assistant coaches were indeed instructed to form a wall along the sideline. And we’ve found out who gave that order: Sal Alosi. As in, the Sal Alosi who tripped Nolan Carroll. The Jets have now made Alosi’s season-long suspension an indefinite suspension. His future with the franchise is bleak at this point.



There are some whS. Alosi o believe that the Jets assistant coaches, including Sal Alosi, were under orders to crowd the sideline on the play in which Dolphins gunner Nolan Carroll was tripped. Count former Dolphins linebacker Zach Thomas among the believers.

"They had to be ordered to stand there because they're foot to foot," Thomas told Tim Graham of ESPN.com. "There's four of them, side to side -- five of them, I mean -- on the edge of the coach's zone. They're only out there to restrict the space of the gunner, who is Nolan Carroll.

"But there's more to it because I'm telling you, the only thing [Alosi] did wrong was intentionally put that knee out there. If he just stood there, there would never have been a problem, even if the guy got tripped. But there's more to this. He was ordered to stand there. No one is foot to foot on the sideline in the coach's box."

Thomas makes a very valid point. And if the coaches were indeed ordered to stand there, that could explain what prompted Alosi to do what he did. (Not saying Alosi was instructed to trip Carroll, but the very idea of crowding Carroll’s space could have subtly encouraged him to take things a step too far.)

If the assistants were instructed to stand shoe-to-shoe, then who gave them the order? Rex Ryan has already said it wasn’t him. Tuesday, special teams coach Mike Westhoff issued a statement saying, “Number one, I did not instruct anyone. Number two, I was not aware. With all of the people on the sidelines, it would be inconsequential and I would not be involved in any way, shape or form.”

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RonBoss2
Since: May 19, 2010
Posted on: December 15, 2010 11:26 am
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Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: December 15, 2010 11:02 am
 

Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

His job is to get downfield as quickly as possible, avoiding the returning team's players. Running out of bounds is necessary very often because the returning team blocks players out of bounds. 

Players (including the gunners) cannot intentionally leave the field of play and return.  If the gunner is forced out, he's required to return to the field of play as soon as safely possible.  Returning teams intentionally force the gunner out of bounds and its the gunner's duty not to get close enough to the sideline so he can avoid it.

The kicking team can receive a penalty for their player intentionally running out or not returning quickly enough (refs determination what quickly enough means).  The returning team cannot be penalized for pushing the guy out of bounds, but can be penalized for leaving the field of play to keep him from returning.  Once you push him out, its a dance - he's going to run to get you backpedaling, then cut when he thinks you can't recover.  All part of the game.  Coaches in the coaches box - part of the game.  Coaches doing a poor man's Woody Hayes impersonation - uncalled for.



Since: Mar 14, 2008
Posted on: December 15, 2010 10:47 am
 

Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

Um...subsititution means, ah...substituting one player for another. That is a silly comparison. Yes, the coaches are allowed to stand there, but it's ridiculous to put the onus on the player defending the return. His job is to get downfield as quickly as possible, avoiding the returning team's players. Running out of bounds is necessary very often because the returning team blocks players out of bounds. 



Since: Dec 9, 2006
Posted on: December 15, 2010 10:27 am
 

Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

That explains why he didn't get fired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! makes so much sense now.



Since: Jan 9, 2007
Posted on: December 15, 2010 10:27 am
 

Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

I did not like the tripping part, but the coaches have the right to be there, as long as they are not outside of the coaches/players box.  The Miami player is intentionaly running way outside of the field to avoid getting hit.  He is essentially running through the coaches and players and their area, to avoid getting hit, then he is coming back into the field of play.  While he is out of bounds, the defenders cannot block him, or they would get penalized.  Whether the coaches were asked to stand there or not, it is a cheap play for the coach to intentionally stick his knee out, but standing there, that is part of their job to be there watching the plays, etc.  Had the coaches done it to defend himself from getting ran into, that would be different, but he clearly intended to interfere with the player, who in my opinion, should not be able to be running out of bounds the way he was.   To me that is almost illegal substitution. 



Since: Dec 14, 2010
Posted on: December 15, 2010 10:22 am
 

Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

bet if they stand that way this weekend against the Steelers they might get some crippled coaches.  everyone will be looking for it now.  and why would trhe strength and conditioning coach be up on the sideline??



Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: December 15, 2010 10:16 am
 

Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

What you say is true, you gotta admit that it's still a bit tacky to line up like that to purposely impede the gunners route.

Yeah, stay classy new york.


You're not wrong, but it happens all over the league.  Not the toe-to-toe thing you saw here, but when there's a kick, you can see members of the kicking team staff run down to the coach's box spot just to get in the way and slow the gunner if he happens to get pushed out right there.  And the receiving team does their best to push him out in that area.  What Alosi did I've never seen before though.



Since: Nov 30, 2009
Posted on: December 15, 2010 10:15 am
 

Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

cmon people, stop defending this guy, he made the decision he is a grown man, he made the choice to stick his leg out, go look at the tape he was flagged for illegally running down field earlier in the game, but does that allow a coach on the sideline to trip him, thats like saying you deserve the death penalty for stealing, he was pushed outta bounds around the 18 yd line, and was tripped at the 33, his job is to out run the TWO defenders thatll keep forcing him outta bounds, he had his lane open as soon as he was tripped , alosi saw this two, and saw a chance to "help" his team like rex ryan most likely told him, alosi is dumb, he will be back for the jets next year.



Since: Aug 15, 2007
Posted on: December 15, 2010 10:14 am
 

Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

Looks like I am reading my own writting. I have said that since the day it happened except I used the batter standing too close to the plate and him getting earholed. Either stand there knowing there is a good possibility your getting hit or stand back.




Since: Oct 27, 2009
Posted on: December 15, 2010 10:03 am
 

Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

it may be tacky but why is the guy runnig out of bounds anyway, miami was already flagged in the game for this before, why keep doing it, becuase it is a sneaky way to not be seen during the play.  In no way do i think that what happened is right, i dilike the jets being a pats fan, however i do think that the dolphins players should not be running out of bounds if he is in on the play


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