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Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

Posted on: December 14, 2010 3:31 pm
Edited on: December 15, 2010 3:43 pm

Posted by Andy Benoit

UPDATE 3:42 p.m. ET: Turns out Zach Thomas was right: the Jets assistant coaches were indeed instructed to form a wall along the sideline. And we’ve found out who gave that order: Sal Alosi. As in, the Sal Alosi who tripped Nolan Carroll. The Jets have now made Alosi’s season-long suspension an indefinite suspension. His future with the franchise is bleak at this point.

There are some whS. Alosi o believe that the Jets assistant coaches, including Sal Alosi, were under orders to crowd the sideline on the play in which Dolphins gunner Nolan Carroll was tripped. Count former Dolphins linebacker Zach Thomas among the believers.

"They had to be ordered to stand there because they're foot to foot," Thomas told Tim Graham of "There's four of them, side to side -- five of them, I mean -- on the edge of the coach's zone. They're only out there to restrict the space of the gunner, who is Nolan Carroll.

"But there's more to it because I'm telling you, the only thing [Alosi] did wrong was intentionally put that knee out there. If he just stood there, there would never have been a problem, even if the guy got tripped. But there's more to this. He was ordered to stand there. No one is foot to foot on the sideline in the coach's box."

Thomas makes a very valid point. And if the coaches were indeed ordered to stand there, that could explain what prompted Alosi to do what he did. (Not saying Alosi was instructed to trip Carroll, but the very idea of crowding Carroll’s space could have subtly encouraged him to take things a step too far.)

If the assistants were instructed to stand shoe-to-shoe, then who gave them the order? Rex Ryan has already said it wasn’t him. Tuesday, special teams coach Mike Westhoff issued a statement saying, “Number one, I did not instruct anyone. Number two, I was not aware. With all of the people on the sidelines, it would be inconsequential and I would not be involved in any way, shape or form.”

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Since: Jan 9, 2007
Posted on: December 15, 2010 7:49 am

Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

@TRAVELER40....maybe you should state who you root for with the "screw all you NY teams" you seem to be a real classy individual!!!....and do NOT lump the GIANTS in the same breath as the blowhard jets

Since: Sep 27, 2007
Posted on: December 15, 2010 7:35 am

Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

Actually PAThfinder, Chris-g2 is absolutely 100% correct, Belichick never manned up and took ownership and responsibility for his spygate/cheating scandal, he gave the exact excuse Chris-g2 said, "I didn't know it was illegal to do that", and let's not forget it also took him over a week to send in the tapes he was instructed to send in by Goodell, and even then he only sent them in after he was threatened with severe fines and penalties. Why did it take him so long to sent in the video's, gee, did he have something to hide, of course he did, he's never won anything without CHEATING. And for all you Patriots fans who think now that him and the team were fined he has all of a sudden just stopped doing something this scumbag has been doing since he joined the Patriots, your wrong, he's still doing it and will indeed be caught again someday. Come on the tapes the league saw went all the way back to before there first super bowl, If Goodell had any balls and really cared about the NFL and not just who got him the job (Robert Kraft) he would have at the very least suspended him for an entire season and he probably should have thrown him out of football. Hell, Goodell is thinking about throwing the video guy from the Broncos out of football because it was his second time illegally taping opposing teams, well, as many times as Belichick was caught and as many tapes as the league received and reviewed Belichick definitely should have been thrown out of the league for life.

Since: Feb 6, 2009
Posted on: December 15, 2010 5:04 am

Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

but we did humiliate you steelers on mnf. wasnt even close.

Since: Sep 21, 2007
Posted on: December 15, 2010 4:26 am

Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

     Nice post Path.  Don't let blowhards bother you.  Jets are simply a desparate team.   Look at the domination the Pats have held over them for a decade.  Jets keep trying to come up with ploy to take Pats dwon and gain some relevance.  Remember all the blather about "Man-genius"&n
bsp;and how he would take down the AFT East and the Pats?   How did that work out?    Then there was the savior...Brett Favre.  Now he was going to lead them to the promised land. Ha...that was a disiaster.  Now it is blowhard Rex Ryan and "SanchiZe".  They backed into the playoffs last year when early clinching teams laid down for them.  The squeaked by in playoffs until their stiff QB had to throw a pass over five yards...which he can't do.  Now after last years fraudulent run and that debacle on HBO, they are over hyped once again.  They were exposed in the beatdown in Foxboro as the barely mediocre team they are.  
     The facts are that their QB isin the bottom thord of the league in talent and their head coach is a loudmouth classless defensive coordinator at best.  After this over hyped Ryan/Sanchez combo inevetably fails to deliver, I wonder what the next NY media fueled juggernaut will be?

Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: December 15, 2010 3:59 am

Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

Yeah just like Belicheck manned up an said " I didn't know spying on the other team is wrong." .... Guess what the Pats have won since.... NADA.

I beg to differ. Since the Spygate scandal in '07 the Patriots have gone 48-13 in the regular season. Which you can say doesn't mean anything, but ask the 20 NFL teams who can't win in the regular season and miss out on the playoffs if it "doesn't mean anything."

They've gone 2-2 in the playoffs, and yeah that includes the 18-1 season along with a beat down delivered by Baltimore in Foxboro. Has How many teams get four playoff games in three years? Ask those teams who miss out if it "doesn't mean anything".

The Patriots have won the AFC East twice, and the AFC once. Don't think it means anything? In the last three years, how many teams have won their division twice?

And that brings us to this year. The Patriots are in a pretty good position to win the AFC East again. They'll probably win another playoff game or two. They've actually got just as good a shot as any, right now, to make a run at another Super Bowl. Granted, there are teams out there that will be tough games for them - The Steelers and Ravens come to mind from the AFC... Falcons and Eagles from the AFC. Still, I think they've got just as good a shot to win those games as lose them.

So, Chris-g2, in the last 3 years your Steelers have won a super bowl, their NFL leading 6th, gone 41-20, and are 3-1 in the playoffs. They've won their division twice, missed the playoffs once, just like the Pats. Their regular season run is a 7 game difference from the Pats and their postseason run is a 1 game difference. Over the last 3 years, the Steelers have been, overall, the better team. Still, not by much.

If the Pats have won "NADA", what exactly have the Steelers done? Just a little more than NADA?

Bottom line, either you don't have a clue what you're talking about, you're uneducated and can't contribute to a conversation, or you're just a douchebag flapping his gums because that's all you do. Either way, you're the reason people hate "Steelers fans". There's enough guys out there that aren't tools, like you, but it's people like you that irritate the majority of us.

Since: Nov 1, 2006
Posted on: December 15, 2010 2:37 am

Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

Yeah just like Belicheck manned up an said " I didn't know spying on the other team is wrong." .... Guess what the Pats have won since.... NADA.

Since: Oct 13, 2006
Posted on: December 15, 2010 1:08 am

Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

Are you new to football? The gunner gets forced to the sideline by the defenders. There's a rule against the offensive players going out of bounds to avoid the defenders, so Carroll didn't do it on purpose. Those guys are placed there purposely. And no, this is not prevalent in the league. Ryan is dirty and a cheat. Deal with it.

Since: Dec 16, 2007
Posted on: December 15, 2010 1:07 am

Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

I'm not a big fan of either team, so this short clip is all I have seen. I definately thought the knee was a cheapshot, but I was also wondering why the player was so far out of bounds there. If he was pushed out well before this spot, and had been flagged earlier for same thing that I have read here, wasn't he also bending the rules?

Since: Aug 16, 2009
Posted on: December 15, 2010 12:49 am

Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

1. I have noticed teams lining people up like this in several games this year, so nothing new there.  I hope we can see some video from other games showing this.

2. It looks as though Carroll wasn't just out of bounds, but was running on the other side of the yard-wide sideline!

3. Has anyone identified the other 4 players/coaches standing there?  Ask them why they are toe to toe?  Look at the 2nd guy, it looks like he is trying to stick his elbow out!!!

4. While Alosi should not have moved, I can't see fining him a huge amount: suspend him without pay for the next 3 weeks, but don't fine the guy.  He ain't makin' that much.

5. Finally, totally hypocritical of the folks on NFL Network all singing in usinson "we've never seen anything like this before"?  Really, there have been several times when players ran out of bounds or got tackled and went OOB on opposing sideline and players on the side lines started altercations.  Crap like that happend all the time.  Or how about in the huge scrum of a fumble, AFTER the refs have all blown their whistles and players are still hacking and kicking and grabbing at each other, even piling on?  

Since: Jul 6, 2007
Posted on: December 15, 2010 12:23 am

Why Sal Alosi was even in position to trip

lumpoco.  I disagree and am not at with you.  Jazzy, even if your not allowed to run out of bounds, it still happens.  You can go out of bounds if you are pushed.  Im not saying that them crowding the sideline was wrong but just because the dolphins player was out of bounds doesnt mean they can trip him

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