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Hot Routes 2.10.11: Panthers the new Chargers?

Posted on: February 10, 2011 11:49 am
 
Posted by Will Brinson



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Since: Apr 14, 2007
Posted on: February 11, 2011 11:43 am
 

Hot Routes 2.10.11: Panthers the new Chargers?

Rosario has shown some flashes as a receiver (ironically, biggest game was against the Chargers, to open 2008 season), but never has played in an offense where he was a go-to guy, or even the 4th option.  

I know Rosario has looked good to me when allowed to go vertical as opposed to asking him to block, or run a short out to the flat.
He can seperate from most LBs and Safeties, and has been lost in coverage at times.

Moving him up in the progression will be key to making it work, because the man can play some ball.



Since: Apr 14, 2007
Posted on: February 11, 2011 10:35 am
 

Hot Routes 2.10.11: Panthers the new Chargers?

It was really supposed to be a pithy commentary on the fact that they have Jimmy Clausen and a terrible group of tight ends. I don't doubt they can RUN the offense, but you want to have the personnel to do so too.

That particular offense is designed to allow teams to move the ball without the need for marque players.

Look at the Chargers production without Vincent Jackson (or the next 3 top receivers), Antonio Gates, and a game breaker RB.

By layering the the routes in the passing game, it stresses the defense by forcing them to slide within their zones underneath, and over the top constantly creating voids for medium range passes. When break downs occur, the deep pass is there, and when they defense covers well, more often than not the safe short route, or curl is available.

And that isn't even addressing the screen game, or openings for draw plays it creates.

With a team like the Panthers that have capable RBs, the simple version employeed by Cam Cameron in San Diego, and in Baltimore while Flacco learns to progress can be used to allow a noticable increase in production immediately.

Will Clausen or the Panthers duplicate the more complex system in place today due to Philip Rivers prowess? No, but give them 3 years, and time to install the whole offense with some wrinkles added by the new man running it, and maybe, just maybe they do.

After all, the NFC has been full of teams that didn't do well a year or two ago, and in the Super Bowl a short time later the past decade.

It's not like they will be competing with the Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, and Colts for a playoff spot.

In the NFC, a sneeze could land you a play off spot where anything could then happen.



Since: Jul 31, 2009
Posted on: February 11, 2011 10:33 am
 

Hot Routes 2.10.11: Panthers the new Chargers?

A terrible group of TEs?  I would have to disagree.  They have a group of TEs that, in the previous offense, were asked to pretty much just block.  That's why King started.  That's why the ball was rarely ever thrown their way - those TEs are there to be extra blockers, that's it.  The Panthers took the TE out of their offense, as a pass catcher, largely after Wesley Walls left.

So while they would be considered terrible when compared to Gates, they certainly have not been asked to catch passes like Gates, but were instead signed to block, and the Panthers rushing stats say they did a pretty good job.  Rosario has shown some flashes as a receiver (ironically, biggest game was against the Chargers, to open 2008 season), but never has played in an offense where he was a go-to guy, or even the 4th option. 

Barnidge, the third TE, has only played a handful of snaps, because he is in the pass-catching mold, ie fast, without the body mass, which meant, for a John Fox team, he blocked on special teams, lol.

And last I checked, Chudzinski has had some success coaching TEs (see Winslow, Shockey, Franks, Gates...).

One last bit, the article by Steve Reed went on to explain how it was not going to be the exact same offense, but adapted to what they can do with it - as Irregardless points out plenty of other teams have done.

So I guess the remark succeeded in being pithy, but was rather unsuccessful at giving any perspective.




Since: Sep 27, 2006
Posted on: February 10, 2011 1:05 pm
 

Hot Routes 2.10.11: Panthers the new Chargers?

It was really supposed to be a pithy commentary on the fact that they have Jimmy Clausen and a terrible group of tight ends. I don't doubt they can RUN the offense, but you want to have the personnel to do so too. 



Since: Apr 14, 2007
Posted on: February 10, 2011 12:58 pm
 

Hot Routes 2.10.11: Panthers the new Chargers?

So, the , , are apparently going to run the offense next year. This isn't surprising given how much success San Diego had on the offensive end, and the fact that Ron Rivera and Rob Chudzinski are now in town. Three problems stand out though. The Panthers don't have 1) , 2) , or 3) Norv Turner.

It's Will Brinson, so of course he does know that Dallas, New Orleans, Ravens, and several other teams use a modified version of the "Chargers" offense that isn't actually the Chargers or Norv Turners offense, but learned by many throughout the league in the '80's during thier time in the NFL.



Since: Nov 17, 2006
Posted on: February 10, 2011 12:42 pm
 

Hot Routes 2.10.11: Panthers the new Chargers?

Maybe Phillip Rivers could be coaxed back home.



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