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NFL writes back to players (3 letters total now)

Posted on: March 19, 2011 2:08 pm
 

Posted by Andy Benoit

So this is what our Saturday has turned into. The NFLA wrote a four-page letter in response to Roger Goodell's letter from Thursday. Now, the NFL has written a response to the players' response letter.

Lead negotiator Jeff Pash wrote on NFLLabor.com:

“We are pleased now to have received a reply to the comprehensive proposal that we made eight days ago. The points made in the players’ letter are precisely the kind of points that collective bargaining is intended to address.  Debating the merits of the offer in this fashion is what collective bargaining is all about. But we would note that three facts we have consistently identified over the past week are ignored and we therefore assume acknowledged. First, the proposal called for player costs of between $19 and $20 billion over the next four seasons; second, the player cost figure in 2011 was above the actual cash spending for 2009 and 2010; and third, the economic offer, combined with other elements of the proposal, was a substantial move by the clubs to keep negotiations going and avoid a work stoppage and related litigation.

“This letter again proves that the most sensible step for everyone is to get back to bargaining. So we again accept Mike Vrabel’s suggestion that the union’s executive committee meet with our negotiating team, including Jerry Richardson, Robert Kraft and Jerry Jones, to resume bargaining. If Mike will let us know when and where he and his colleagues would like to meet, we will be there. We are ready.”

If the players write back, we'll pass it along. As annoying as this all is, at least both sides are (sort of) negotiating. Granted, this form of negotiating is almost as childish as it is transparent.

One more note: it's funny Pash would refer to Mike Vrabel's offer to resume bargaining. One of the contingencies in Vrabel's offer was that the players would resume bargaining as long as Pash wasn't involved.


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Comments

Since: Mar 26, 2008
Posted on: March 19, 2011 7:20 pm
 

NFL writes back to players (3 letters total now)

How about the 9 billion be separated in the following way:
- 1 billion to an account each year for stadium upgrades or new stadiums (((Why make the tax payers pay for this or the people that are in that town for non football reasons) All pro sports teams should do this) this would help reduce the hotel tax, restraunt tax, etc...)
- 500 million each year for retired players and there health insurance- 3.5 billion for the owners each year
- 3.5 billion for the players each year
- 500 million each year for a rainy day fund/grow the NFL Fund/low team income fund (disburse 25% of this after each year to each group if it is not used for major issues that may come up)

My employer does not get the same tax breaks that Pro Sports teams do!!!! That is why we get laid off, no yearly pay raises, etc...)



Since: Apr 1, 2007
Posted on: March 19, 2011 6:34 pm
 

NFL writes back to players (3 letters total now)

This whole thing is starting to remind me of that Subway commercial, the one where a guy locks himself in an office as his co-workers try to catch him.  The co-workers start demanding he give them some of his Subway sandwich.  During all of this, all participants are voiced over by little kids.

Too funny...

And let me be clear, I see the players as the co-workers outside the door, and the owners as the guy with the sandwich, even though it's the owners asking for more money to swing back their way.

Look, as things stand now the players get around 53% of the total $9 billion, while the owners get 47%.  I blame the owners for this, as it never should have gone this far.  But they caved in and here we are.

Now I know there's more to this than just the $9 billion, but for those out there that haven't done the math, this is how things work out for players and owners, regarding the $9 billion, with the owners getting $1 billion off the top and the remainder ($8 billion) split 60/40...

Players get: $4.8 billion (53%)

Owners get: $4.2 billion (47%)


The owners asked for an additional billion off the top, or $2 billion total, but never (from what I understand) asked for a change on splitting the remainder, which as stated above is 60 (players) / 40 (owners).  Here's how the $9 billion would be divvied up using these numbers...

Players get: $4.2 billion (47%)

Owners get: $4.8 billion (53%)

So in essence, what the owners are really asking for is an additional $600 million, and not $1 billion, or to put it another way, the owners want 53% of the revenue, while the players would get 47%.  And that's bad for the players???

And regarding player safety in the NFL, perhaps the players should talk to each other about this subject, seeing as how they're the one's hurting each other.  Remember what happened when Goodell started levying fines last year for violent (notice I didn't say illegal) hits?  Poof...concussions seemed to miraculously drop almost to nothing, after three weeks.  Gee, I wonder if there's a connection...


Gunny



Since: Jul 14, 2008
Posted on: March 19, 2011 5:58 pm
 

NFL writes back to players (3 letters total now)

My solution to N.F.L. it`s about 2 billion dollars the player and owner are fighting about?Here is my solution the owner give one billion and the players give one billion,and take that money and cut the prices 30% of tickets so the fans can take there family to a game.Because no matter what the players or the owner believe it`s all about the fan because we decide not to go or watch games.then there is no game!!!!



Since: Oct 1, 2006
Posted on: March 19, 2011 5:47 pm
 

NFL writes back to players (3 letters total now)

    ROOT, ROOT, ROOT for the owners....These unions look like a joke here and in wisconsin...If the non-players union, who looks like a union to me got their demands, the NFL would quickly turn into the MLB....
  
   This would mean half the teams would quickly have no chance, as the richest teams would be winners almost every year....These so called 'evil owners' have made all or most of these players multi-millionaires---Wow that's cruel...
  
   The players are on the wrong side this time....



Since: Aug 26, 2006
Posted on: March 19, 2011 5:26 pm
 

NFL writes back to players (3 letters total now)

The players were happy with things the way they were. The owners claimed they needed to get 1 BILLION dollars back from players to help them out. By doing this, the owners are asking the players to essentially be "partners" in helping the continued flourishment of the NFL. If the owners are going to claim sort of financial hardship by asking for the players to give them 1 BILLION dollars, then they do need to open the books. I understand the players get millions to play...but the owners get hundreds of millions BECAUSE of the players. If my boss wants me to give a billion dollars back just because he says he is financially struggling, I am going to need a little bit more than just his word. It's a lose-lose situation. Today's athletes are greedy, but so are the owners. Nobody is right in this case, but there is a reason the owners don't want anyone to see the books. It's because they are ridiculously rich! And when someone who is that rich tells you that you need to give them money back, I can totally see why the players want proof of the owners hardship. Remember, the NFL is what it is because of the talent of the guys who make it the best sport.......not because of the billionaire owners!



Since: Feb 24, 2008
Posted on: March 19, 2011 5:00 pm
 

NFL writes back to players (3 letters total now)

I hope the owners close the door and keep it close for a year or two. I think the players will know then who ownes the team and who the employees are.



Since: Nov 25, 2006
Posted on: March 19, 2011 4:50 pm
 

NFL writes back to players (3 letters total now)

I think this whole thing with letters are childish. It's time for both the owners and players to stop acting like little children and get a deal done.



Since: Mar 16, 2011
Posted on: March 19, 2011 4:20 pm
 

NFL writes back to players (3 letters total now)

Why should the owners open their books ???? The owners are not partners with the players !!! The players are employees of the owners !!! Done....That's it !!! Play your 3 years and take care of your money and you'll probably be set for life.



Since: Mar 19, 2008
Posted on: March 19, 2011 4:19 pm
 

NFL writes back to players (3 letters total now)

Why, PeterKrop, do you think any PRIVATE business has any obligation to open their books to employees? Sounds like a communist statement to me. This is a free country and the players are FREE to go play in the UFL or AFL or CFL, screw them. I hope someone sticks it you for such an asinine statement.



Since: Mar 19, 2011
Posted on: March 19, 2011 3:12 pm
 

NFL writes back to players (3 letters total now)

The owners not opening their books is like admitting they are lying when they say that they are having money troubles.  Lets hope the courts stick it too the owners.  Lots of players have a career of less than three years while the owners make their millions and billions for decades.


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