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How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

Posted on: April 29, 2011 12:20 am
Edited on: April 29, 2011 3:19 am
 
Posted by Will Brinson

NEW YORK -- You wanna know how the rich keep getting richer? The poor keep reaching for quarterbacks, that's how.

In one of the strangest drags in recent history, four potentially disastrous quarterbacks went in the top-15 picks, as Cam Newton (1), Jake Locker (8), Blaine Gabbert (10) and Christian Ponder (12) were all of the board before we got halfway through the first round.


The fact that quarterbacks went early isn't shocking, because right now the league is quarterback-needy as hell. Lots of people projected a pile of signal-callers coming off respective big boards throughout the first round.

But by pulling trigger on some questionable quarterbacks so early in the draft, a bunch of teams -- who were drafting early for a reason -- ended up allowing a ton of top tier talent to fall down to a bunch of teams who were drafting -- you guessed it -- late for a reason.

The Colts (Anthony Castonzo), the Saints (Cameron Jordan and then Mark Ingram), the Giants (Prince Amukamara) and a number of other teams ended up hitting home runs with their first-round picks because teams who needed quarterbacks couldn't, for lack of a better phrase, keep it in their pants.

Look, the trio of Gabbert/Ponder/Locker could end up working out for these teams. Ponder's NFL-ready and could be an immediate benefit for the Vikings, while Gabbert and Locker have veterans -- David Garrard and Kerry Collins, respectively -- in front of them and will get a year or two to learn and get prepped to take over.

They could certainly end up being successful quarterbacks in the NFL, but they could also certainly be busts.

But the reason why they went so early isn't because they're guaranteed to be big-time successes in the NFL. They went early because 1) teams were limited in maneuvering because of the labor situation and, more importantly, 2) failed to recognize that in this draft, depth was present at positions that are not named quarterback.

There were certainly "lots of quarterbacks" but that has nothing to do with there being "significant depth at the position."

It's something that you expect general managers and the people who run teams to recognize. But for whatever reason, in this draft, they didn't.

Which is why we shouldn't be too shocked if we see a similar draft order in the first round of 2012 as we saw on Thursday night.

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Comments

Since: Aug 19, 2006
Posted on: April 30, 2011 6:13 am
 

How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

 Hey Fiend... Newton and Locker are sure busts? What are you basing that on? It seems like the 'experts' know everything. Will Brinson probably thought Tom Brady was a waste of a (what was he 5th round pick?) pick too. These guys dont know much more than the average fan. In some cases less. The simple fact is, nobody knows. Alex Smith was supposed to be the safe pick and Rodgers was a gamble, we all know how that played out. But its all in hindsight. Anyone that pretends to know is an idiot.



Since: Apr 27, 2008
Posted on: April 29, 2011 7:43 pm
 

How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

I hope you mean learn from the Lion's mistakes, otherwise you sound like a douche.  You guys have had horrible draft after horrible draft for the last 10 years until the last one.  But if you mean "we sucked at drafting for a decade, don't do what we did", you're spot on.



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: April 29, 2011 6:09 pm
 

How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

Thank you for drafting QB's. We are going to improve our team starting with the defensive and offensive line.   Learn from the Lions.  Skill position talent is very hard to draft correctly.   Its far easier to find and evaluate for positions that raw physical skills are more important then positions that require you to excel in the mental part of the game and the physical. 

D-lineman, running backs, linebackers.  The game is more instinct.  Great linebackers get the mental part as well.  Lewis, Urlacher, etc. but most of linebacking is so fast and physical the mental part isn't as tricky.  Not until you are in coverage.  So D-line and running back.  It should be straightforward to find good players at those positions. 

QB? Most difficult position to play in the NFL.  Most mental and requires rare physical gifts.  Very hard to draft.  Using first round pick on QB.  BIG risks.  Can it make you a 10 year franchise.  Sure.  Can it mess you up for a very long time? See Rodney Peete, Andre Ware.  Those mistakes will KILL you for years because of the talent you passed up to gamble on a QB. 

I would never draft a qb in round 1 or 2 unless I was picking 1 or 2 in the draft.  I'd rather develop qb's.



Since: Mar 6, 2011
Posted on: April 29, 2011 5:37 pm
 

How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

Not the best written article, but exactly right. Some of the commenters seem not to understand. These QBs are reaches. They dont grade out this high on any scouts board. They make sense as developmental guys in the second or even third round. Maybe.  But you have super high graded guys like Amukamara.....one of only two corners ready to start......and Cam Jordan or even Quinn......falling. Cam Heyward to Pitt....at the end of the round? are you kidding me? He's a top rated guy. Jordan was best player at the senior bowl. When you reach, the high grade talent falls to the teams already strong. I guess thats why they keep winning.



Since: Oct 29, 2006
Posted on: April 29, 2011 4:46 pm
 

How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

AZNNP77
Agreed, teams reached to get their QBs, and the rich do get richer. One small argument about the "year or two to learn". You know damn well as soon as these teams are out of playoff contention, they're going to start their young QBs to see what they got. The coaches will get a phone call from the owners who say the seasons over and the fans wanna see our boy who we just gave big money to. Mainly first rounders I'm referring to.

2010 - Bradford, Tebow, Claussen, Mccoy all played multiple games
2009 - Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, White (gimmick) all played
2008 - Ryan, Flacco
2007 - Russell, Quinn 
2006 - Young, Cutler, Leinart

That's the last 5 years, and the only QB not to start during their rookie season for a significant portion was Quinn (probably because he wasn't good enough). Point is when you draft a QB high, he doesn't sit for long. Carson Palmer is the overused example of a team that needed a QB, but did not use him right away.


I don't know about most but in 2010, McCoy played only due to injuries to Delhomme and Wallace.  In 2007, Quinn didn't play because his agent held him out through training camp....he probably would have won the job if he was there at the beginning



Since: Mar 22, 2008
Posted on: April 29, 2011 4:33 pm
 

How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

the jags pick was bad because they gave up too much for him... a very needed 2nd round pick (you know the round that gets picks like maurice jones). they have so very many needs when you reach for a player who impressed few in college.....gabbert wasnt mentioned the entire year with locker, mallet, ponder and others until the very end and then he became the favorite of the month because the others were hurt, their behavior or just plain sucked.   
they could have gotten nick fairly, another dominate DT they really need or  prince a. (a safety the so desperately need)  just to name a few. they wanted locker and gave away a much needed pick for this overpicked selection.  not for one second do i think any of these 4 will amount to anything other than a kyle boller, alex smith type. gabbert on another team he might succeed but on this dysfunctional with an idiot for a head coach.   and guess who washington is going to take with their 2nd round pick...their wide reciever or safety. nice job gene smith!
and now they have no DT that can rush the passer. kampman is two knee injuries too many now and although hes a great player hes not going to be around for much longer.  



Since: Jul 16, 2008
Posted on: April 29, 2011 3:38 pm
 

How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

I have to agree with some other commenters on here. This article as it is written makes no sense. If other positions in this draft are deep, then it makes complete sense to pick a QB, which isn't a deep position. If DL is a deep position, then why spend a 1st round pick and big money on one when you can get another good player at the same position later on? The lack of depth at the QB position is an argument that FAVORS drafting a QB in the 1st round. 
The bottom line is that if you don't have a franchise QB, you HAVE to get one ASAP. So, can't fault any team who doesn't have one from addressing the position immediately. It is by far the most important position on the field. Yes, a great DL or CB can help your team, but it isn't going to make the difference between a team that drafts in the first 10 picks and a playoff team. 



Since: Apr 14, 2007
Posted on: April 29, 2011 3:20 pm
 

How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

In one of the strangest drags in recent history, four potentially disastrous quarterbacks went in the top-15 picks, as (1), (8), (10) and (12) were all of the board before we got halfway through the first round.


Man Will Brinson shows he doesn't follow football when he writes. The typos and lack of editing are just for fun.



Since: Jun 19, 2008
Posted on: April 29, 2011 12:55 pm
 

How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

The Packers, who don't NEED a LT right now, took one for the future.  Derrick Sherrod turned 22 years old on Saturday.  He's not quite pro-ready, in my opinion, but doesn't have to be.  Ted Thompson is famous for saying that "you draft for the future of your football team."  The Packers didn't NEED Aaron Rodgers in 2005, or Jordy Nelson in 2008, or Byran Bulaga in 2010, but they knew they would need them in the future.  That's how the rich get richer.

The one pic I feel better about today than I did when it happened, is the pick of Blaine Gabbert by Jacksonville.  He won't play this year... maybe not next.  David Garrard is a decent QB, but isn't exactly the franchise.  A couple of years on the bench can't hurt Gabbert.  Yes, the Jags needed help elsewhere, but that was exactly what people said about the Packers in 2005, when they took Aaron Rodgers at 24... back then, most assumed Rodgers would be another Jeff Tedford washout (David Carr, Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Kyle Boller, and to a lesser extent, Trent Dilfer).  But Rodgers surpased all expectations, in part because he worked hard to improve his arm strength and accuracy down the field, and because he spent 3 seasons preparing to be the starter.



Since: Nov 19, 2006
Posted on: April 29, 2011 12:41 pm
 

How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

I was wondering the same thing, he needs to go back and read his article before he posts it because either he was in a hurry or doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.


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