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How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

Posted on: April 29, 2011 12:20 am
Edited on: April 29, 2011 3:19 am
 
Posted by Will Brinson

NEW YORK -- You wanna know how the rich keep getting richer? The poor keep reaching for quarterbacks, that's how.

In one of the strangest drags in recent history, four potentially disastrous quarterbacks went in the top-15 picks, as Cam Newton (1), Jake Locker (8), Blaine Gabbert (10) and Christian Ponder (12) were all of the board before we got halfway through the first round.


The fact that quarterbacks went early isn't shocking, because right now the league is quarterback-needy as hell. Lots of people projected a pile of signal-callers coming off respective big boards throughout the first round.

But by pulling trigger on some questionable quarterbacks so early in the draft, a bunch of teams -- who were drafting early for a reason -- ended up allowing a ton of top tier talent to fall down to a bunch of teams who were drafting -- you guessed it -- late for a reason.

The Colts (Anthony Castonzo), the Saints (Cameron Jordan and then Mark Ingram), the Giants (Prince Amukamara) and a number of other teams ended up hitting home runs with their first-round picks because teams who needed quarterbacks couldn't, for lack of a better phrase, keep it in their pants.

Look, the trio of Gabbert/Ponder/Locker could end up working out for these teams. Ponder's NFL-ready and could be an immediate benefit for the Vikings, while Gabbert and Locker have veterans -- David Garrard and Kerry Collins, respectively -- in front of them and will get a year or two to learn and get prepped to take over.

They could certainly end up being successful quarterbacks in the NFL, but they could also certainly be busts.

But the reason why they went so early isn't because they're guaranteed to be big-time successes in the NFL. They went early because 1) teams were limited in maneuvering because of the labor situation and, more importantly, 2) failed to recognize that in this draft, depth was present at positions that are not named quarterback.

There were certainly "lots of quarterbacks" but that has nothing to do with there being "significant depth at the position."

It's something that you expect general managers and the people who run teams to recognize. But for whatever reason, in this draft, they didn't.

Which is why we shouldn't be too shocked if we see a similar draft order in the first round of 2012 as we saw on Thursday night.

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Comments

Since: Dec 28, 2007
Posted on: April 29, 2011 12:36 pm
 

How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

so if there is a lot of depth at other positions

why not take a quarterback early and then work on other positions

you know -- the ones with all that depth

presumably depth means that the quality does not fall off much

as you go deeper.  That is not the case at QB.  seems Will's logic

is illogical



Since: Apr 29, 2011
Posted on: April 29, 2011 12:27 pm
 

How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

Since when did Christian Ponder become an NFL ready QB? I watched him in college and he wasn't even college ready.

Newton and Locker are sure busts




Since: May 17, 2008
Posted on: April 29, 2011 10:09 am
 

How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

But the reason why they went so early isn't because they're guaranteed to be big-time successes in the NFL
This presumes, of course, that anybody is "guaranteed to be big-time successess in the NFL" which is simply not true.  There have been plenty of 1st round busts at every position in the past and there will be more in the future.  Perhaps some of th these QBs, who knows -- personally I think Newton, Gabbert, Locker and Ponder all have a chance to be good NFL QBs, maybe not HOF quality but there are very few of those obviously and who knows, they haven't even been to an NFL practice yet.  Its not like the teams drafting QB closed their eyes and threw darts at a board---its a QB league, they NEEDED QBs and these were the best available.



Since: Feb 1, 2009
Posted on: April 29, 2011 9:43 am
 

How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

Agreed, teams reached to get their QBs, and the rich do get richer. One small argument about the "year or two to learn". You know damn well as soon as these teams are out of playoff contention, they're going to start their young QBs to see what they got. The coaches will get a phone call from the owners who say the seasons over and the fans wanna see our boy who we just gave big money to. Mainly first rounders I'm referring to.

2010 - Bradford, Tebow, Claussen, Mccoy all played multiple games
2009 - Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, White (gimmick) all played
2008 - Ryan, Flacco
2007 - Russell, Quinn
2006 - Young, Cutler, Leinart

That's the last 5 years, and the only QB not to start during their rookie season for a significant portion was Quinn (probably because he wasn't good enough). Point is when you draft a QB high, he doesn't sit for long. Carson Palmer is the overused example of a team that needed a QB, but did not use him right away.



Since: Aug 19, 2006
Posted on: April 29, 2011 2:27 am
 

How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

 Hey Will Brinson... almost everyone agrees that it's a QB league nowadays, so why is it such a mistake to grab an NFL-ready QB in the first round? Your logic makes no sense at all. What more could you want than an NFL ready QB? I am against grabbing a project QB in the first round (cough Cam Newton, Jamarcus Russell, etc) but the QBs you mentioned are solid QBs, does a QB have to come from Oklahoma or Texas etc. before some of these critics agree that he is worth a first round pick? It's a crapshoot to take any player high in the first round, but if you are QB needy, then you might as well gamble on a QB who has all the tools. 



Since: Dec 9, 2008
Posted on: April 29, 2011 2:23 am
 

How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

As a saints fan I support the way this draft turned out. I didn't want New Orleans to waste the first pick on Ingram when there was so much talented d-lineman in the draft. But the fact that Cam Jordan fell to 24th and that they traded up to get Ingram (who also suprisingly fell to 28th) put a big Smile on my face. 

This lockout really hurt the teams who needed quarterbacks because half of them could have addressed this need through free agency. But the fact that the draft came before the lockout made a lot of other teams very wealthy because they got to select the best available player rather than choosing between 2 or 3 guys



Since: Nov 30, 2010
Posted on: April 29, 2011 12:50 am
 

How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

i am happy it went this way.the giants got a very good cb.but they should of got mark ingram.now the saints look so good ,they had no healthy rbs last yr.i think bush will get traded,and thomas looks like a injury risk still.now they can get back a more balanced attack.now the giants should go for o-line and linebackers.the pats have how many picks?and will carson palmer play this yr, now he has got a young superstar wideout .i also thought that the fins would have pushed for INGRAM too.it was a very intrusting draft.lets see how the next round turn out.



Since: May 6, 2007
Posted on: April 29, 2011 12:32 am
 

How do rich get richer? The poor reach for QB's

Adding depth is always good but when you main problem for years now has been quarterback well there ya go.  Ponder may not work out for the Vikes but I am just glad that the Vikes were finally willing to take a gamble and see what happens.  Depth is great but pointless when you have no one to lead the team and all that depth.  As a Vikes fan I thought there were chances in previous drafts to try and fix the problem but the Vikes kept waiting till later rounds to go after a a qb wich never did work.  I know people wanna see what Webb can do but let's face it.  The guy was drafted as a wr originally for a reason.  Hopefully Ponder playing for a pro offense in college will be able to step in and play soon.  He may not be perfect but as if he can stay away from game changing mistakes then i'm happy with him.  I'd rather have a consistent qb and pound the ball on the ground with AP then have a big passing game that kills us in crucial spots with INTs.


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