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Reggie Wayne isn't sure Collins should be starter

Posted on: August 25, 2011 10:02 am
Edited on: August 25, 2011 12:46 pm
 
CollinsPosted by Josh Katzowitz

One of the more interesting stories from Wednesday was the Colts signing Kerry Collins to a $4 million contract just in case Peyton Manning isn’t ready to begin the season as the team’s starting quarterback.

Even though CBSSports.com’s Mike Freeman has gone on record as saying that the Colts could make the playoffs even with Collins in charge of the offense, at least one of Collins’ new teammates disagrees.

That’s receiver Reggie Wayne, who said, via the AP, that “We don't even know him, we ain't vanilla, man, we ain't no simple offense. So for him to can come in here and be the starter, I don't see it. I think that's a step back."

Wait, wait a minute. Is Wayne saying he would rather have Curtis Painter or Dan Orlovsky start instead of Collins -- who certainly is past his prime but is far more accomplished than Painter and Orlovsky combined*?

*If you multiplied by 10 the combined careers of Painter and Orlovsky, Collins still would be far more accomplished.

"Who says Kerry's going to be the starter?" Wayne said. "Just because we bring him in doesn't mean he's the starter. He's got to learn too, right? Unless they gave him a playbook months ago, he's got to learn too.

Peyton's Place ... on the sidelines?
"I don't care who you are, I mean I'm not going to let anyone just come in here and just push someone (like Painter) aside like you're that dog now, you know what I mean?"

No, I have no idea what Wayne means.

As CBSSports.com’s Ryan Wilson pointed out Wednesday, “Anyone who has watched a Manning-less Colts offense led by the likes of Curtis Painter or Dan Orlovsky knows that it might be a four-win outfit. Collins may be a fossil in NFL years, but he's also the same guy who manned the controls when the Titans won 13 games in 2008.”

Which is why Wayne seemingly makes no sense when he says he’d rather see Painter start than Collins. After all, Collins has thrown for more than 40,000 yards and 200 touchdowns in his career, while Painter has accumulated 83 yards, no touchdowns and two interceptions.

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Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: September 5, 2011 4:05 pm
 

Reggie Wayne isn't sure Collins should be starter

""I don't care who you are, I mean I'm not going to let anyone just come in here and just push someone (like Painter) aside like you're that dog now, you know what I mean?" 

No, I have no idea what Wayne means."

I have an idea of what he means, he's not talking about career accomplishment. What Reggie Wayne is talking about is better summed up in this other line: "We don't even know him, we ain't vanilla, man, we ain't no simple offense. So for him to can come in here and be the starter, I don't see it. I think that's a step back."

Translation: Painter has been with the Colts for 3 years and therefore has the most experience with the Colts' system of any QB on the team currently excluding Manning. In preseason, Painter went 19/37 for 266 yards 2 TDs and one pick, that's not great but that's definitely not terrible not to mention he threw the pick in the first preseason game so it seemed that he got better as he went, both of his TDs were thrown in the first half of the game against the Packers and most of the starting Packers defense to boot. If Painter only has 83 passing yards for his career all that says is that he has never been given a chance to show what he can do because he is backing up Peyton Manning.

This is Orlovsky's first year with the Colts but he has still been there longer than Collins who was brought in late in the preseason. Notice that even though he is a 7 year vet while Painter is only a 3 year vet, Painter outperformed him in the preseason. 25/54 386 yards 3 TDs and 3 interceptions. The eye test seems to show a stronger correlation between success and how long you've been with team rather than how long you've been in the league.

Collins was 5/10 for 45 yards against mainly backups in his only preseason appearance. That not enough data to really judge anything, but it's not hard to imagine he'll be rusty after coming in to a new system with barely over a week to prepare for the regular season.

Reggie Wayne brings up a legitimate concern here though it was probably foolish to express it publicly, not good for the locker room and not good for the team. It may not be wise to just push Painter aside without giving him a real chance by signing someone with a distinguished career but far less familiarity and preparation with the team. 



Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: September 5, 2011 1:21 pm
 

Reggie Wayne isn't sure Collins should be starter

usna89rules - what do you mean "ahem, 'prime'"? Look at the numbers Collins has put up over 15 years. 40,000+ yeards, he's barely 200 yards behind Montana, and 206 touchdowns. That's all while barely playing in Tennessee for five years, and three years in Oakland before that. If the guy had some talent around him he'd probably be in the top 10 all time statistically.

In New York Eli never did any better than Collins. In Tennessee Young never did any better than Collins. You can make whatever comments you want because you may not like him, but you can't deny the man was a good QB.



Since: Sep 28, 2006
Posted on: August 26, 2011 9:42 am
 

Reggie Wayne isn't sure Collins should be starter

I agree with Wayne. Collins is washed up but even in his, ahem, 'prime', he is still coming into a completely new system. Painter and Orlovsky don't get 1st team reps but they know the system and still have a better chance of being effective than an aging Collins. The Colts should have went after Favre. lol. (I'm just kidding, so no need to hate on me Colts fans).
The reality is that there is no repalcement for Manning so if they have to make the offense more "Vanilla" until he can return then that's what has to be done. Right now there is no future in Indy beyond Peyton, no great young QB in training to take over the reins, so make do until the real star of the show can step back on the field.



Since: Sep 8, 2009
Posted on: August 26, 2011 9:30 am
 

Reggie Wayne isn't sure Collins should be starter

Reggie is Crazy to think that Painter or Oriovski are better choices IF Manning cant start. Collins has seen more snaps in a single season then the 2 of them COMBINED OVER THEIR CAREERS!

'Nuff said.


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