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Harbaugh-Schwartz feud's been stewing for months

Posted on: October 17, 2011 4:22 pm
Edited on: October 17, 2011 4:23 pm
Posted by Will Brinson

Yesterday's incident at midfield between Jim Harbaugh and Jim Schwartz led everything sports-related all of Sunday night and continued through Monday morning. The randomness of the anger between the respective coaches of the 49ers and the Lions shocked everyone and sparked a slew of discussions about who would be the best coach to have in your corner for a steel-cage death match.

But maybe Harbaugh's outburst and Schwartz anger wasn't as random as it seems.

Perhaps, instead, we can trace the incident to a dinner in March of 2011 that featured Schwartz, Harbaugh and Ravens coach (and brother of Jim) John Harbaugh. John relates that, at the dinner, Schwartz essentially told Jim if the lockout continued, he would be unable to win as a head coach. This didn't sit well with Jim.

"We were having dinner the other night and Jim Schwartz told him basically there’s no way you’re going to be able to get it done (if the lockout lasts into the summer)," John Harbaugh said, per the Santa Clara Press-Democrat. "He told him there’s no way you’re going to be able to accomplish what you need to accomplish in two weeks if this thing lasts a while.

"Jim just kind of bit his tongue, which is what you’ve got to do in this situation. Because there’s nothing you can do about it."

In other words, it's pretty obvious that Jim drew a big, fat Sharpie-style circle around the October 16 matchup in Detroit.

And then there's some additional evidence of how things escalated during the game yesterday -- Chris Chase of Yahoo's Shutdown Corner pulled the video of the first-quarter touchdown that Brandon Pettigrew caught, a play which was challenged by Harbaugh.

Obviously, you can't challenge a scoring play. Harbaugh forgot that, and Schwartz definitely let him know, screaming something like "Know the rules!" across the field.

So it's possible (likely?) that such exuberance preceded Harbaugh's celebration. But it also seems likely that this is a feud that's been brewing for longer than just the brief moments before their post-game handshake.

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Since: Apr 26, 2007
Posted on: October 20, 2011 7:08 pm

Harbaugh-Schwartz feud's been stewing for months

So, niklah9, let me get this straight.  You are comparing how Schwartz acted with Harbaugh after losing and reacting to Harbaugh's over-exuberance to Schwartz being humble after he won... and have come to the conclusion that he needs to be a better winner???

I thought it made sense, but I'll try again.  Lions beat Cowboys.  Schwartz jumps around like a baboon on crack.  (His coaches handshake was calm, but Schwartz wasn't graceful in victory the entire time).  Garrett ignores him and continues on with his day.  No issues.  49ers beat Lions.  Harbaugh jumps around like a baboon on crack.  Schwartz's butt hurts.  Media explosion.

2 things to take from this. 
     1.  Harbaugh could have been more gracious in victory, he wasn't, shame on him.
     2.  Schwartz could have ignored Harbaugh, he didn't shame on him.  Add to that the constant trash-talk Schwartz committed (by himself) from the sidelines towards Harbaugh and the 49ers, I give Harbaugh more credit for not rubbing it in his face at the end of the game and more or less dismissing him during the handshake, which Schwartz deserved.

Since: Oct 23, 2006
Posted on: October 19, 2011 5:41 am

Harbaugh-Schwartz feud's been stewing for months

This is down to Harbaugh, not so much as a handshake, more a pull-on-body-check-slap-away type move that is more at home on WWE or Ice Hockey! If I'd have been Schwartz I'd have been pissed too, not only should his Lions have had this wrapped up at half-time, but the 49'ers impress to deceive! And I do believe something was said that really wound him up further, any lip readers in the audience?
Mike Ditka said the other night that he didn't like the shaking hands thing, 20/30 minutes after the game then ok! I myself have played both individual and teams sports, and the only times I was pissed when I/we knew I/we were the better player/team, then shake hands with gritted teeth then kick the crap out of the locker room in private, but don't let the opponent(s) see that you are rattled, that I believe is sportsmanship, (only once did I not obey my own rule and that ended in fisticuffs, I may have lost the game but won the fight!) something on this occasion that was sadly lacking in Harbaugh, and he was the winner! Not in college now, tantrums don't go in the NFL, both of you, now STOP IT!

Since: Jan 6, 2009
Posted on: October 19, 2011 12:27 am

Harbaugh-Schwartz feud's been stewing for months

Even though I thought they both looked like & acted like a couple of ten year olds playing in the backyard, I found the whole thing quite entertaining. Schwartz looked like the little dog [forgot his name] in a cartoon I used to like "back in the day" with "Spike" the Bulldog being the other. This thing's over for now at least. Let's move on. OK???

Since: Jun 29, 2011
Posted on: October 18, 2011 7:26 pm

Harbaugh-Schwartz feud's been stewing for months

Nobody really cares about this!!!  Can we get some real football news please!!

Since: Aug 11, 2011
Posted on: October 18, 2011 4:51 pm

Harbaugh-Schwartz feud's been stewing for months

OH BOOOOHOOOO.. get over yourself!!!!!

Since: Apr 12, 2010
Posted on: October 18, 2011 4:29 pm

Harbaugh-Schwartz feud's been stewing for months

Spell check.

Since: Jan 12, 2008
Posted on: October 18, 2011 1:26 pm

Harbaugh-Schwartz feud's been stewing for months

you wright a response about accoutabiliity and state that you dont wish to here any disagreing statements....funny

Since: Aug 29, 2006
Posted on: October 18, 2011 1:21 pm

Harbaugh-Schwartz feud's been stewing for months

You are a Lions fan first and then a Steelers fan second???? WTF are u 12 and like both of the team colors??? How can u be a true fan if u like 2 teams??? Basically what u are saying is that u like the lions but when they sucked u jumped on the steelers badwagon bc they were going to SBs. For that statement alone...u should be banned from posting anything on an NFL blog

Uh, can you get fired up over a statement like that?  I have been a Lions for years now.  Heaven forbid that the first game I remember watching is the Steelers, so I liked them.  If the Steelers are on, I don't watch that often.  If the Lions are on I watch them win or lose.  That's called being a fan.

Now please go off in the your time out corner or go take a nap.  I think you just had your sugar rush for the day junior.

Since: Mar 10, 2009
Posted on: October 18, 2011 1:17 pm

Harbaugh-Schwartz feud's been stewing for months

I think Schwartz is a punk. See how he ran down Harbaugh after the handshake and bumped him from behind like some teenager at a dance. Have you seen Schwartz act after some Detroit wins this year? Don't know where or if he played in the NFL but I will always give the benefit of the doubt to someone (Harbaugh) who actually played in the matter how short or undistinguished it amy have been. Schwartz acted like an idiot during the game yelling over at Harbaugh on the mistaken challenge. What does he care if Harbaugh doesnt know the rules? He should be worried about coaching his team....and not what the other coach is doing. Besides, Harbaugh not knowing the rules helped Detroit to the tune of 15 yrds. I wish Harbaugh would have shook his hand a bit harder and then knocked him on the ground after getting "bumped" by him. Schwartz is a punk but he's a genius now that he's won a total of 11 games in his NFL career!!!

Since: Jan 10, 2010
Posted on: October 18, 2011 1:12 pm

Harbaugh-Schwartz feud's been stewing for months

When Schwartz ran to catch up with Harbaugh, what was he going to do? He actually caught up with him, was right next to him, he rubbed shoulders with him and had his chance to do whatever. But he didn't do anything. Then when he was seperated from Harbaugh he went into "hold me back" mode. Why was he pretending he needed to be held back. He was already there where he wanted to be and actually he backed off. Then pretended he wanted to get back at him. He should have done something when he first ran up next to him. That was his chance. He obviously balked. He should have at least got in a little shove, since that is what bothered him.

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