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Bengals trade Palmer to Raiders for 1st rounders

Posted on: October 18, 2011 10:18 am
Edited on: October 18, 2011 1:57 pm
 
Posted by Will Brinson



One of the names I mentioned in Sorting the Sunday Pile for the Raiders in their search to replace Jason Campbell was retired Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer. But even though the Raiders were reportedly trying to get Palmer, it seemed a highly unlikely end result, given the stubborn nature of Cincy owner Mike Brown.

But Oakland found a way to pry Palmer away from the Bengals, dealing a 2012 first-round draft pick and a 2013 conditional first-round pick to the Bengals for the no-longer-retired quarterback. Reports indicate that the 2013 conditional pick is a first-round pick only if Oakland wins at least one playoff game.

CBSSports.com's Mike Freeman confirms that the trade -- as originally reported by Jay Glazer of Fox Sports -- is a done deal. Glazer noted that Hue Jackson's close relationship with Brown -- Jackson was the former wide receivers coach in Cincinnati -- helped grease the wheels.

What likely helped grease the wheels more? The first-round draft pick that the Raiders gave the Bengals ... because they had to. As Ryan noted yesterday, the Raiders aren't exactly stocked with draft picks these days, having already given up their second-, fourth- and seventh-round picks in trades, and used their third-round pick on Terrelle Pryor.

Palmer to the Raiders

In other words, the Raiders only had one real pick of value in 2012 to give up, and they were apparently willing to move it in order to make themselves a contender for the remainder of the year.

More than anything, though, Mike Brown deserves a tremendous round of applause for absolutely crushing this scenario with Palmer. He called the quarterback's bluff, refused to deal the quarterback, landed a new franchise guy in Andy Dalton, and then when a team got really desperate, received two first-round picks in exchange.

The conditional pick is likely something that involves the Raiders making the postseason and/or riding Palmer to the Super Bowl; at least one would hope anyway. Otherwise, Oakland has, once again, undervalued draft picks.

It's worth noting, though, that the Raiders are anticipating a slew of compensatory draft picks in 2012, because free agents Nnamdi Asomugha, Zach Miller, Robert Gallery and Thomas Howard all departed the Bay Area.

Also worth noting: Jason Campbell's time as a Raider is now finished, for all intents and purposes. He's a free agent after this season and given the committment Oakland gave to Palmer plus Campbell's injury, it's hard to imagine him playing another snap for Oakland.

They are, at least now, all in on Carson Palmer.


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Comments

Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:44 pm
 

Bengals trade Palmer to Raiders for 1st rounders

I can't remembr what post it was that mentioned this, because there were so many.  However, I'm a Raider fan and I LOVE this trade.  The writing was on the wall for Jason Campbell when Terrelle was drafted.  That automatically said Campbell would get a one -two year contract to stay with the Raiders after this year and give Pryor time to develop.  I like this draft because the roster right now is young, talented, and pretty much every position has depth besides the QB position for the next few years.  The backfield is locked up with DMC for the next 3-5 years.  The OL has been addressed in the last 3 drafts and is the reason why we lead the league in rushing.  That basically means teams know we aren't going to throw the ball and we still get 160 rush ypg.  The D-line has depth, LBs have some depth especially getting Curry.  The only glaring holes we have is the secondary and QB and the CBs were addressed in last years draft.  Giving up the first round picks for the next two years isn't as bad as at looks considering we have starters and depth for the next 2 years anyway.  The only thing we don't have is a stable QB.  Carson Palmer gives us just that.  So what if he's 32.  By the time he's 35 Pryor will be ready and the team will still be relatively young (besided Seymour). 

In other words, if we can win 10 - 12 games for the next 3 years with Carson Palmer and get to the playoffs the rewards far out way the risk.  As Hue Jackson said, "The time is now."



Since: Dec 24, 2008
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:42 pm
 

Bengals trade Palmer to Raiders for 1st rounders

Wow two #1 draft picks ?? Are they nuts !!! Why get Pryor than?? Al Davis would never give two #1's for an old player. The Raiders r trying to win the Super Bowl this year for Al Davis. I hate the Raiders , but I don't like to see someone grieving & making a bad decision. Maybe they can win the west, but the AFC title It will be very tough. Chargers always done pretty good againist Palmer. Now Campbell can run that what made him tough to beat. Well  the Raiders better win this year's SB. May they should have saved that extra #1 & used it to move up & get Luck in the coming draft. Thats what Al Davis would have done.
I hope you are joking... Luck is going to drop down to the Raiders pick. and Al Davis would have done this deal in a heartbeat. I think he is still managing this team from the grave actually 



Since: Apr 12, 2007
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:39 pm
 

Bengals trade Palmer to Raiders for 1st rounders

2Will Brinson (the reporter):  In your report you BOTH say the Bengals', and i quote, "2013 conditional pick is a first-round pick only if Oakland wins at least one playoff game."  THEN you say:  "The conditional pick is likely something that involves the Raiders making the postseason and/or riding Palmer to the Super Bowl; at least one would hope anyway."

WHICH IS IT?  Yet more evidence that today's reporters, sports and otherwise, do not even know how to the very basics of their job.  This just cracks me up.))  How can someone say TWO different things on the same exact point/issue??  It just baffles the mind.  (i could be wrong here but...i just don't see how.)  Someone check me.  Would someone give us the facts?  Or better yet, let us read the actual deal? 

Most importantly, this is a great deal for the Bengals.  And could be for the Raiders as well.  And as someone says below makes complete sense for the Raiders since that pick was had to go toward a new QB anyway; so, why not get a good-to-great QB now and take a shot this year.  And there are a ton of people, including me, that owe Mike Brown an apology.  He played this brilliantly; assuming, that is, that he intended this from the beginning.) 



Since: Sep 16, 2006
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:33 pm
 

Bengals trade Palmer to Raiders for 1st rounders

Look Folks, they gave a first and another pick for Seymour too. The window for a team is very short and this team is in a window where it could be very good but not with the QB's they have, including Campbell. As for Pryor, they used a 3rd round pick to get him and he is no where close to being ready to go in the NFL, 3 years of work as a back-up and he could be ready by then, but the window could be closed by then for a very talented team. Not every team can be as lucky as the Patriots and keep a team in the window as long as they have. The difference is Brady took over for Bledsoe right in the window that was basically Bledsoe's window. I truely believe the Pats would have won the SB or even SB's with Bledsoe just as easily as they did with Brady. Palmer is being put in a position that enables him to achieve all he ever wanted and give the Raiders organization what it has been building for.



Since: Oct 18, 2011
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:22 pm
 

Bengals trade Palmer to Raiders for 1st rounders

Wow two #1 draft picks ?? Are they nuts !!! Why get Pryor than?? Al Davis would never give two #1's for an old player. The Raiders r trying to win the Super Bowl this year for Al Davis. I hate the Raiders , but I don't like to see someone grieving & making a bad decision. Maybe they can win the west, but the AFC title It will be very tough. Chargers always done pretty good againist Palmer. Now Campbell can run that what made him tough to beat. Well  the Raiders better win this year's SB. May they should have saved that extra #1 & used it to move up & get Luck in the coming draft. Thats what Al Davis would have done.




Since: Oct 18, 2011
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:20 pm
 

Bengals trade Palmer to Raiders for 1st rounders

Seems similar to a guy the Raiders took a chance on about 30 years ago... Jim Plunkett redux??



Since: Mar 27, 2007
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:19 pm
 

Bengals trade Palmer to Idiots for 2 1st rounders

I grew up in cali and love both the Bengals and Chargers, and have a plaque in my room for Carson. I give all the Kudos to the Bengals for making a blockbuster deal, but I also have to ask...Mike Brown   really? After all the years of not paying his players (I really couldn't blame Carson with that and so many distractions...see reality TV). But Carson and the Bengals havent been the same since they let their real star WR go to Seattle. TJ Houshyourmama caught almost 4 times the amount of receptions for first downs than Ocho Stinko. No one would go over the middle sans TO last few years, and his production declined with the degradation of the O line. He still has plenty of arm left and I was anticipating a waltz for the Chargers to the playoffs with Boller starting, but now that comes on hold because the Raidahz are a somewhat complete team except for QB, cause you could always expect Jason to brainfart sometime during the game. I will never be able to wear my Palmer jersey again! Thanks Al, you would have never let this happen, he's too slow and he can actually throw!



Since: Aug 28, 2006
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:18 pm
 

Bengals trade Palmer to Raiders for 1st rounders

This is a good move for both teams and for Palmer. USC has never been high on my list....however Palmer has impressed me over the last few years with his intregrity and persistance. The Raiders have taken a disgruntled player (Al Davis Classic) in Palmer and will attempt to Win. Al davis would be Proud!! The Bengals are Happy.................and Palmer has a chance to redeem his sub-par career........I like everything about this trade!! It brings a refreshing spirit back to the NFL!!
Long Live Football!!



Since: Feb 18, 2011
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:17 pm
 

Bengals trade Palmer to Raiders for 1st rounders

As a Bengals fan, I think Carson Palmer is/was a top-flight quarterback. It's hard to tell what he has left after last year's fiasco. But under Palmer the Bengals won two division titles after being horrible since Anthony Munoz got hurt. So thanks for those years.

Quitting on the team though was dumb, especially since they'd drafted a tightend and two receivers (Shipley and Green) and unloaded over the hill and demanding recivers (Ochocinco and Owens). Cincy had given him everything he needed this year to be successful.

Now everyone wins. Dalton is better than I thought. Palmer gets to keep playing and out west, which is where he always wanted to be. And the Bengals get two picks for him.

Mike Brown has nickel-and-dimed this franchise and the fan base to death over the years. This one though he got right.



Since: Jan 9, 2007
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:15 pm
 

Bengals trade Palmer to Raiders for 1st rounders

This does make perfect sense - sorry doubters. Palmer is locked in until 2014 so you get at least 3 seasons (don't know if it is through 2014 or not).

Now next years 1st round pick had to go for a qb anyways so that is a straigt up trade. You really didn't do anything with that pick than what you were already going to do.

Now for the year after that you did give up a 1st / 2nd round pick so the questoin is what did you get for that pick. To me you got an opportunity to make the postseason this year. This will help you retain players this and next year. You also devaluate the value of this years pick if you make the playoff...

I don't like what they have done with the other picks (like Pryor was a stupid pick) but this is one move I like....


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