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Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

Posted on: October 18, 2011 12:12 pm
Edited on: October 19, 2011 3:37 pm
 
Posted by Will Brinson



On Tuesday, Oakland shocked the world by dealing two first-round draft picks -- a 2012 first-rounder and a 2013 conditional first-rounder -- for Carson Palmer, retired Bengals quarterback.

Though the Raiders success will determine the long-term winners in this deal, we're prepared to make some knee-jerk reactions right now anyway.

(Ed. Note: We'll have a live chat with Pete Prisco, Mike Freeman, Clark Judge, Will Brinson, Ryan Wilson and Josh Katzowitz starting at 1:00 p.m. tomorrow -- set a reminder below and join us.)


WINNERS
Mike Brown -- I've been on record as saying Brown was a fool for letting Palmer get older without getting something in return for him, despite the fact that he's had ample opportunities to get a significant bounty -- see: the Cardinals overpaying for Kevin Kolb -- in return for someone who refused to play for his team. But this? This is highway robbery. This is Brown pulling off something no one saw coming and making his team better in the long run. Kudos to him for this.

Carson Palmer -- Guess Mike Brown *technically* caved to his demands huh? Sure, Brown would have been a damn fool to pass up what the Raiders gave, but Palmer's now released from the control of Brown and the Bengals and he gets to play football again. Plus, he's doing it for a team that's a contender, a coach he likes and knows, and he has a pile of weapons available that don't spend their time away from the field filming VH-1 shows.

Darrius Heyward-Bey, Denarius Moore -- Put quite simply, they're not going to spend the rest of the year getting speared over the middle and/or trying not to have their ankles broken by a bunch of short-hoppers from Kyle Boller.


Hue Jackson -- Not because he gave up two first-rounders for Palmer. That was dumb. But it appears that Jackson's got the trust of everyone in the Raiders organization, since they just let him peddle the future of the franchise (two first-rounders) for a 31-year-old quarterback.

Jordan Palmer -- Guess who will "earn a backup job with the Raiders" come 2012? Yup, Carson's little bro (who, by the way, I loved at UTEP) is a lock to be holding Kyle Boller's clipboard next season.

LOSERS

Jason Campbell -- He's now most likely played his final snap as a Oakland Raider and that means Campbell will be moving on to yet another offensive coordinator on yet another team. Few first-round quarterbacks have gotten as raw a deal as Campbell in terms of how they've been handled; ironically, he only needs to land in Cincinnati to hit the trifecta of dysfunctional franchises.

Oakland's Next General Manager -- The Raiders' first pick will likely be a compensatory pick near the third round in 2012, thanks to letting Nnamdi Asomugha leave for Philly. But their technical first pick right now is a fifth-rounder. Which means that whatever GM steps into fill Al Davis' shoes better really like a) not working in April and b) Carson Palmer.


Carson Palmer -- Yes, the classic winner and loser move! But hear me out: though Palmer is, as I wrote above, now released, he's also no longer getting to play golf every day and get drunk at USC tailgates on Saturdays. And yeah, he's in a position to make a run at the playoffs, but if he stinks in Oakland, things are going to get awkward for him with the fans and management. There's a lot of pressure.

Palmer to the Raiders

San Diego Chargers -- They're currently 4-1 and the rest of the division was about to be starting Matt Cassel, Tim Tebow and Kyle Boller ... respectively. Without the Raiders making a move, the Chargers were going to waltz to a division title. Now they've got some stiffer competition -- if Palmer can get back his old mojo, Oakland could absolutely challenge for the AFC West crown.

Denver Broncos -- What the hell did they want for Orton exactly? You can't call the Raiders and say "give us a fourth-rounder and he's yours?" Wouldn't Oakland have done that in a heartbeat versus the deal they needed to get a 31-year-old Palmer who costs way more and isn't just a one-year rental? Are the Broncos actually going to play Orton? What is going on there? I thought Josh McDaniels left.

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Comments

Since: Aug 1, 2011
Posted on: October 19, 2011 10:23 am
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

Will Brinson... love the comment about the Bronco's and Orton.  I have been wondering the exact same thing.  Only thing is, I think the Raider coach only wanted Carson Palmer because of their history.  I was wondering why the Broncos didn't try to trade Orton to the Redskins.  He would be a perfect fit there in my opinion.  Broncos are just going to let Ortons contract expire?  Makes no sense. 



Since: Aug 14, 2006
Posted on: October 19, 2011 9:24 am
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

LOSER
Carson Palmer
-- Yes, the classic winner and loser move! But hear me out: though Palmer is, as I wrote above, now released, he's also no longer getting to play golf every day and get drunk at USC tailgates on Saturdays. And yeah, he's in a position to make a run at the playoffs, but if he stinks in Oakland, things are going to get awkward for him with the fans and management. There's a lot of pressure.
Ummm this is dumb to say because he will make 10 million dollars for working!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Since: Oct 11, 2010
Posted on: October 19, 2011 9:10 am
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

BossMan you must be on crack or living in another world, either way get your crap right.  The Bengals O-line has not been the problem, in fact they have been pretty decent which is why Benson was successful in 2009 they just went away from the running game last year for the dynamic duo aka idiots Ocho and TO.  Palmer has never been the same since his playoff injury and he has never been a leader of any sort for this team.  What kind of leader leaves his teammates and fans while still under contract??  Your whole rambling on AJ Green is idiotic and makes no sense.  Wake up dude!



Since: Mar 8, 2007
Posted on: October 19, 2011 8:20 am
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

This is good for both teams. I give the Raiders credit for trying to make a run for the playoffs. It also probably will help if they finish strong if the Davis family is considering selling the team in the off season.
The Bengals get a 1 in 2012 and a 2 in 2013. It becomes a 1 if the Raiders make the AFC championship games this season or next.



Since: Jul 23, 2011
Posted on: October 19, 2011 8:19 am
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

First off Cincy has had a terrible offensive line for the past 3 years ....its hard to throw the football laying on your back or running for your life .... no time to hand the ball off either when you have to hvae the tailback and fullback blocking the gapping holes in the line and Dalton is  an average quarter back .... A J Green is padding his numbers and thats all if you take those away he is horrible ...and Palmer going to oakland is good for that team ..... he still has an arm and the young reciever corps of heyward-bey and moore will thrive from that ...and as far as Palmers conditoning ???? per CBS Sportsline ....He's been staying in shape, working with a quarterbacks coach on his own .... and as far as anybody think its one and done for Carson ...think again ....Palmer signed a restructured four-year contract with Oakland that will pay him $2.5 million for the rest of this year, $12.5 million in 2012, $13 million in 2013 and $15 million in 2014, according to the NFL Network.... you better get caught up on your information before you open your mouths....or in this case let your fingers do the talking



Since: Nov 12, 2009
Posted on: October 19, 2011 7:13 am
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

Who are the only fans in the NFL as naive and gullible as Bengals fans? The Raid-uhs. Savior he is not. He is a decent QB on some days. He had a great receiving corps last year and threw 20 picks with just 4 wins. Dalton as a rookie is doing more with less. Palmer is not a leader, he showed that by walking out on his teammates. I'm more important than anything you guys are working toward, screw you.




Since: Apr 8, 2009
Posted on: October 18, 2011 11:46 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

I hope those last posts were the result of partial blindness.  If not what kind of self important ass needs to type that large?  I repeat what kind of self-important ass needs to type that large?  Forcing me to read your opinion? No.  Forcing me to NOT read your opinion.




Since: Dec 25, 2006
Posted on: October 18, 2011 10:06 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

"First of all, everyone is making a big deal about the draft picks.  It was one first rounder, and one CONDITIONAL first rounder.  If Cincinatti gets that pick, then the Raiders are seeing success.  Aside from that, who really cares about the next 2 drafts if your Oakland.  They have a very young team, one of the youngest in the entire NFL, look at them for a second, A core of very young talented recievers, a young OL at LT, LG, C, and RT, a realtivley young DL, young LB's (Curry in his 4th yr and McClain in his 2nd, and a very young secondary, and oh by the way, the best rushing attack in the NFL led by arguably the best running back in the NFL who is only in his 4th year.  So who are the Raiders going to get in the next 2 drafts to help them rebuild, their already rebuilt and ready to win!!!!!  Looks like those first rounders have the potential to be very late picks thanks to the talent that's been assembled by the best team in the AFC west.  GO RAIDERS, AND JUST WIN BABY!!!!!"

There's no way Palmer gets you to the promised land this year and IF he doesn't  get shape by two weeks it won't be until to 2012 anyway so you're praying that a QB that's not been in a  game for over 9 months and expect him to be a quality QB in just 2 weeks , just like I said before really,  let it sink in and you have to be 100% right cause unless you are, this year is wasted and you've lost at  least one 1st rounder and that's it and depending where you finish the Bengals win this year no matter what he does this year and I'm saying with everything takin into account you may lose that 2nd 1st rounded too, the Bengals just pulled off a "Brinks" job on the Raiders.




Since: Dec 25, 2006
Posted on: October 18, 2011 9:45 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

There's also no way of knowing that Palmer won't get hurt in Oakland either..just look at his time at Cincy and the injuries he had there and we also don't if he's REALLY ready for Pro tackles and blitzes ...it's going to take time and that's one thing the Raider don't have!!!




Since: Dec 25, 2006
Posted on: October 18, 2011 9:34 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

You all have been drinking the "kool-aid" in here .... there's no way Palmer's going to be ready for the play of a QB in a football team with any kind of a Dline....I think we all know that the speed of the game is 200MPH and Palmer hasn't played since when"?" and his speed maybe only around 90MPH right now and there's no way he's going to get all of this in, in just 2 weeks....there's also no way of him getting down the off. plays making and the Def. Dline and S's and Cb's and be ready to call for a  play to work and make all of the reads in just 2 weeks, sorry but Palmers not going to be ready for at least 4 or 5 weeks from now!! And IMHO that's the season in a nut shell.... this is a big mistake for this year it will be better next year and  he could be a wasted draft pick,  don't think he'll make the other conditions of the trade and the Raiders will only lose next year pick!! Please read it and let it sink in before you all  jump in cause it'a long way down!!



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