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Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

Posted on: October 18, 2011 12:12 pm
Edited on: October 19, 2011 3:37 pm
Posted by Will Brinson

On Tuesday, Oakland shocked the world by dealing two first-round draft picks -- a 2012 first-rounder and a 2013 conditional first-rounder -- for Carson Palmer, retired Bengals quarterback.

Though the Raiders success will determine the long-term winners in this deal, we're prepared to make some knee-jerk reactions right now anyway.

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Mike Brown -- I've been on record as saying Brown was a fool for letting Palmer get older without getting something in return for him, despite the fact that he's had ample opportunities to get a significant bounty -- see: the Cardinals overpaying for Kevin Kolb -- in return for someone who refused to play for his team. But this? This is highway robbery. This is Brown pulling off something no one saw coming and making his team better in the long run. Kudos to him for this.

Carson Palmer -- Guess Mike Brown *technically* caved to his demands huh? Sure, Brown would have been a damn fool to pass up what the Raiders gave, but Palmer's now released from the control of Brown and the Bengals and he gets to play football again. Plus, he's doing it for a team that's a contender, a coach he likes and knows, and he has a pile of weapons available that don't spend their time away from the field filming VH-1 shows.

Darrius Heyward-Bey, Denarius Moore -- Put quite simply, they're not going to spend the rest of the year getting speared over the middle and/or trying not to have their ankles broken by a bunch of short-hoppers from Kyle Boller.

Hue Jackson -- Not because he gave up two first-rounders for Palmer. That was dumb. But it appears that Jackson's got the trust of everyone in the Raiders organization, since they just let him peddle the future of the franchise (two first-rounders) for a 31-year-old quarterback.

Jordan Palmer -- Guess who will "earn a backup job with the Raiders" come 2012? Yup, Carson's little bro (who, by the way, I loved at UTEP) is a lock to be holding Kyle Boller's clipboard next season.


Jason Campbell -- He's now most likely played his final snap as a Oakland Raider and that means Campbell will be moving on to yet another offensive coordinator on yet another team. Few first-round quarterbacks have gotten as raw a deal as Campbell in terms of how they've been handled; ironically, he only needs to land in Cincinnati to hit the trifecta of dysfunctional franchises.

Oakland's Next General Manager -- The Raiders' first pick will likely be a compensatory pick near the third round in 2012, thanks to letting Nnamdi Asomugha leave for Philly. But their technical first pick right now is a fifth-rounder. Which means that whatever GM steps into fill Al Davis' shoes better really like a) not working in April and b) Carson Palmer.

Carson Palmer -- Yes, the classic winner and loser move! But hear me out: though Palmer is, as I wrote above, now released, he's also no longer getting to play golf every day and get drunk at USC tailgates on Saturdays. And yeah, he's in a position to make a run at the playoffs, but if he stinks in Oakland, things are going to get awkward for him with the fans and management. There's a lot of pressure.

Palmer to the Raiders

San Diego Chargers -- They're currently 4-1 and the rest of the division was about to be starting Matt Cassel, Tim Tebow and Kyle Boller ... respectively. Without the Raiders making a move, the Chargers were going to waltz to a division title. Now they've got some stiffer competition -- if Palmer can get back his old mojo, Oakland could absolutely challenge for the AFC West crown.

Denver Broncos -- What the hell did they want for Orton exactly? You can't call the Raiders and say "give us a fourth-rounder and he's yours?" Wouldn't Oakland have done that in a heartbeat versus the deal they needed to get a 31-year-old Palmer who costs way more and isn't just a one-year rental? Are the Broncos actually going to play Orton? What is going on there? I thought Josh McDaniels left.

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Since: Dec 31, 2007
Posted on: October 18, 2011 9:10 pm

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

Really?  The Raiders are the only losers in this.  Palmer gets a place to play in Cali and the Bengals have 2 first round picks next year.  Raiders fans act like they are getting a top tier quarterback and at this point in Palmer's career, they are actually getting an average quarterback at best.  The run game better keep it going because he is not going to win games for you.  At this point, Palmer is more Tomzack than Tom Brady.  We watched him play after his major knee and elbow injuries and he is just not the same.  Oh, and he is 31 years old.  Terrible trade for the Raiders, you will see!

Since: Oct 18, 2011
Posted on: October 18, 2011 8:11 pm

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

You do realise Palmer has been throwing everyday right? He's not in active QB shape but he's in a good enough shape that he'll step and take over after the bye. Just shut up and read(a better site then cbs)... maybe you'll learn something.

Since: Aug 25, 2006
Posted on: October 18, 2011 7:51 pm

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

This is going to be so entertaining when Carson Plamer starts stinking up the joint sending the Raiders into a tailspin and out of the playoffs. I can't wait!

Since: Aug 13, 2010
Posted on: October 18, 2011 7:22 pm

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

Raiders win. Period!

Since: Oct 23, 2006
Posted on: October 18, 2011 7:12 pm

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

Hmmm....  I personally think the only "loser" here is Campbell. 
The Raiders sent a message to their fans - "we will do what we can to win".  They went out and got a credible QB, someone who can teach Pryor a few things, and who already has a running game and decent receivers.  
From what I've heard on other, more reliable sites, Palmer wasn't simply going to tailgate parties & drinking beer, he was working out, throwing everyday to pro receivers. 
Does anyone not think Carson Palmer will step in with a chip on his shoulder, something to prove?   This guy stuck to HIS guns, even more than the Bengals' owner did.  He was willing to forfeit his salary, and was doing just that.
I like the move.  Hate the Raiders, like the move.  Only game time will tell if Palmer still has the skills or not.

Since: May 26, 2011
Posted on: October 18, 2011 5:01 pm

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

I like the move to get Palmer into Oaktown. Jason Campbell wasn't the answer for this team behind center, despite Oakland having a good record with him at the helm. Yes, Carson is 31, and yes Oakland "gave away" at least one first-rounder for his services. But the Raiders have a young core of good receivers with Heyward-Bey, Ford, and Denarius Moore that Palmer can throw to, and they also have a young stud at running back in McFadden and a bruising, crushing running back in Michael Bush. The defense is also young and improved over last year, although they still have problems tackling against a strong rushing team. The point is, the Raiders aren't in a rebuilding phase where they need to depend on having a grip of first-round picks to be competitive. And even if they have those picks, there's no guarantee that those players would turn into superstars (ahem, Jamarcus Russell). The Raiders can grab players via free-agency and potentially do well drafting quality players in later rounds. Not optimal, I know, but not unheard of. They needed a solid quarterback, and it looks like they're going to get him. Of course, Carson now has to go out there and prove he can get the job done. However, I would rather have him than the backups on the team, and I will certainly take Palmer over Kyle Orton any day of the week.

Since: May 20, 2011
Posted on: October 18, 2011 4:48 pm

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

no one can argue that 1st/2nd round picks are valuable, you can get some really good talent with these early picks. But Tom Brady was a 7th rounder...The talent pool doesn't dry up after the first 64 picks. Teams get real values in the later rounds every year. 1st rounders like Russell are either boom or bust it seems...there are no guarantees that Cincy will make wise picks...there are no guarantees that a team who signs a 1st rounder doesn't lose him to an injury before he plays a snap.

Proven NFL level talent is a littler harder to come by. The price for Palmer was steep, but I don't think it will hurt Oakland in the long run, I think it will help.

Since: May 20, 2011
Posted on: October 18, 2011 4:44 pm

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

Those of you suggesting that Palmer was an over-rated QB when active in Cincy, please tell us all about that perenial pro-bowl caliber offensive line Palmer had protecting him...*crickets*.

Palmer (#3 in Silver and Black) has the skills, now he needs the protection and the targets down field who aren't too busy thinking about their end-zone shenanigans to catch the ball and get yards after the catch. The TO/OCHO show was a freaking VIRUS in that offense. How long will two primadona ball hogs tolerate eachother? About 1/2 of a season. Then all of a sudden it's Palmer's fault for not throwing to both of them enough.

I said it before, and I'll say it again...Look what Oakland has done for other "washed out" QB's like ... Plunkett and Gannon.
As a die hard Raider fan, I don't think this was a bad move at all considering our immediate need for a QB. This move keeps us from having to scrap yet another season, chalking it up to a "growing year". We've got some legit tools and I'm sorry, but anyone can seen that Campbell to Palmer is an UPGRADE! Now he needs to learn the offense and get in shape, thank goodness for our two bye weeks coming up...KC and the week after that.

As for making the playoffs, I'm a little more reserved. If we can buld momentum, stay healthy and get the defense fixed (they are a mess!) in the next few weeks, we have an outside chance at best. We still have prove we can get by the likes of Green Bay and/or Detroit before we are "legit" contenders, I think. Plus, we can't fold playing San Diego, we need another AFC West sweep, like last year and some good breaks I think. Just my opinion.

Since: Oct 12, 2006
Posted on: October 18, 2011 4:31 pm

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

ur assuming that no one leaves this team via free agency in the next 2 years....they may be young now, but that can change rather quickly....especially with injuries & free agency

Since: Oct 12, 2006
Posted on: October 18, 2011 4:26 pm

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

1 first round pick for a 31 yr QB who has been sitting on his couch for 9 months is a lot to give up, let alone 2!!!  & if its not a 1st round pick next year, then its a 2nd....still a boatload to give up for the rights to pay Palmer $40 mil the next 4 years!

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