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Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

Posted on: October 18, 2011 12:12 pm
Edited on: October 19, 2011 3:37 pm
 
Posted by Will Brinson



On Tuesday, Oakland shocked the world by dealing two first-round draft picks -- a 2012 first-rounder and a 2013 conditional first-rounder -- for Carson Palmer, retired Bengals quarterback.

Though the Raiders success will determine the long-term winners in this deal, we're prepared to make some knee-jerk reactions right now anyway.

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WINNERS
Mike Brown -- I've been on record as saying Brown was a fool for letting Palmer get older without getting something in return for him, despite the fact that he's had ample opportunities to get a significant bounty -- see: the Cardinals overpaying for Kevin Kolb -- in return for someone who refused to play for his team. But this? This is highway robbery. This is Brown pulling off something no one saw coming and making his team better in the long run. Kudos to him for this.

Carson Palmer -- Guess Mike Brown *technically* caved to his demands huh? Sure, Brown would have been a damn fool to pass up what the Raiders gave, but Palmer's now released from the control of Brown and the Bengals and he gets to play football again. Plus, he's doing it for a team that's a contender, a coach he likes and knows, and he has a pile of weapons available that don't spend their time away from the field filming VH-1 shows.

Darrius Heyward-Bey, Denarius Moore -- Put quite simply, they're not going to spend the rest of the year getting speared over the middle and/or trying not to have their ankles broken by a bunch of short-hoppers from Kyle Boller.


Hue Jackson -- Not because he gave up two first-rounders for Palmer. That was dumb. But it appears that Jackson's got the trust of everyone in the Raiders organization, since they just let him peddle the future of the franchise (two first-rounders) for a 31-year-old quarterback.

Jordan Palmer -- Guess who will "earn a backup job with the Raiders" come 2012? Yup, Carson's little bro (who, by the way, I loved at UTEP) is a lock to be holding Kyle Boller's clipboard next season.

LOSERS

Jason Campbell -- He's now most likely played his final snap as a Oakland Raider and that means Campbell will be moving on to yet another offensive coordinator on yet another team. Few first-round quarterbacks have gotten as raw a deal as Campbell in terms of how they've been handled; ironically, he only needs to land in Cincinnati to hit the trifecta of dysfunctional franchises.

Oakland's Next General Manager -- The Raiders' first pick will likely be a compensatory pick near the third round in 2012, thanks to letting Nnamdi Asomugha leave for Philly. But their technical first pick right now is a fifth-rounder. Which means that whatever GM steps into fill Al Davis' shoes better really like a) not working in April and b) Carson Palmer.


Carson Palmer -- Yes, the classic winner and loser move! But hear me out: though Palmer is, as I wrote above, now released, he's also no longer getting to play golf every day and get drunk at USC tailgates on Saturdays. And yeah, he's in a position to make a run at the playoffs, but if he stinks in Oakland, things are going to get awkward for him with the fans and management. There's a lot of pressure.

Palmer to the Raiders

San Diego Chargers -- They're currently 4-1 and the rest of the division was about to be starting Matt Cassel, Tim Tebow and Kyle Boller ... respectively. Without the Raiders making a move, the Chargers were going to waltz to a division title. Now they've got some stiffer competition -- if Palmer can get back his old mojo, Oakland could absolutely challenge for the AFC West crown.

Denver Broncos -- What the hell did they want for Orton exactly? You can't call the Raiders and say "give us a fourth-rounder and he's yours?" Wouldn't Oakland have done that in a heartbeat versus the deal they needed to get a 31-year-old Palmer who costs way more and isn't just a one-year rental? Are the Broncos actually going to play Orton? What is going on there? I thought Josh McDaniels left.

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Comments

Since: Jun 15, 2008
Posted on: October 18, 2011 3:24 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

First of all, everyone is making a big deal about the draft picks.  It was one first rounder, and one CONDITIONAL first rounder.  If Cincinatti gets that pick, then the Raiders are seeing success.  Aside from that, who really cares about the next 2 drafts if your Oakland.  They have a very young team, one of the youngest in the entire NFL, look at them for a second, A core of very young talented recievers, a young OL at LT, LG, C, and RT, a realtivley young DL, young LB's (Curry in his 4th yr and McClain in his 2nd, and a very young secondary, and oh by the way, the best rushing attack in the NFL led by arguably the best running back in the NFL who is only in his 4th year.  So who are the Raiders going to get in the next 2 drafts to help them rebuild, their already rebuilt and ready to win!!!!!  Looks like those first rounders have the potential to be very late picks thanks to the talent that's been assembled by the best team in the AFC west.  GO RAIDERS, AND JUST WIN BABY!!!!!



Since: Dec 15, 2008
Posted on: October 18, 2011 3:01 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

This post is for the members who keep stating that the Raiders are giving up 2 first round draft picks.

The Oakland Raiders are only giving up one first round draft pick and a CONDITIONAL first round draft pick.  They HAVE to win a playoff game either this year or next in order for the Bengals to obtain the second 1st round draft pick.  This is a big difference because if the Raiders do win their first playoff game and lets assume this is after a bye then guess what they are in the Superbowl.  On the flipside of the coin if they win their first playoff game and advance to the division championship game then it is still worth giving up the pick.




Since: Dec 15, 2008
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:54 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

The Oakland Raiders made a great decision on signing and dealing Carson Palmer.  I hate when people post long threads so I will make mine short and sweet. 

Kyle Orton = Terrible; the Bears would not have dealt Orton if he was THE QB.  He has not accomplished anything for the Denver Broncos during his tenure there.  He would not be a good role model nor mentor for Pryor and he is not the long term solution.

Carson Palmer = Proven.  He has already won two divsion title with the Bengals; remember this is a division with the Ravens and Steelers.  He had two disfunctional WR's (no need to name drop)  that were cancer to the entire team and made it miserable for players to even play.  The Raiders are giving up ONE draft pick in the fist round (Past history has proven that most first round draft picks are busts anyway) and a CONDITIONAL 2nd round draft pick.  This condition is that the Raiders have to win at least one playoff game this year or next.  Lets say they don't, well geuss what no worries because Carson Palmer is a much better QB than Boller, Campbell and all other 2nd string QB's or free agents.  Lets say they win a playoff game, well they their young core just gained playoff experience and Carson adheres to Raiders style of football even more.  Pryor learns more from this QB than he would any day of the week than Campbell/Orton/Boller.



Since: Aug 11, 2011
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:35 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

Palmer has a better running game with Oakland, marginally better defense and wide receivers that are young and will show respect for his leadership. He also has a coach not afraid to call the big play. I think he and the Raiders will be successful together



Since: Feb 18, 2011
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:24 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

Hey BigDog, Palmer didn't choke in 2006. He threw an 80 yard TD pass on his first play from scrimmage against the Steelers in the playoffs. But your DL went low and blew out his knee. Palmer, against all odds, made it back to start the season the next year.

So he didn't choke there and showed real work ethic to make it back without missing a game. That's what makes quitting on the team this year so strange.

Until the elbow injury, Palmer always put up numbers. The Bengals never had a defense. He can't make tackles.



Since: Jun 28, 2011
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:17 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

Raw deal for Campbell, he played reasonably well and was learning the offense and not blowing games.  He deserves better but this is the NFL, its all business.  I am not sold on Palmer being a success, he didnt want to play football at all this year and now he is 31, I am sure he is rusty and not prepared....2 first round picks for an old QB that has not really won anything?  Hmmmmmm.  Please dont tell me that they bring in Carson's lil brother as a "backup", that would stink. 



Since: Oct 20, 2006
Posted on: October 18, 2011 1:51 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

Admire Palmer???? He signed a contract and failed to man up. He's just another prima donna who thinks he's better than. I wish Brown would have stuck to his guns until Palmer's mug was on a milk carton.



Since: Aug 30, 2007
Posted on: October 18, 2011 1:50 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

I am not a Palmer apologist but anyone NOT a Bengals fan can see that yes, his skills have diminished a bit due to age, injury, and just plain apathy in Cincy, but he isn't overrated. His stud receivers in Cincy were Ocho, Houshmandzadeh, and Henry when not in jail. How have they faired without Palmer? Ocho is too dumb to learn the NE offense, Housh flamed out in Seattle and Baltimore, Henry was so crazy...we all know what happened. Those were just the miscreants he was throwing to, what about the surrounding idiots that he had to deal with also on the team? Jones, Benson, Odom, Johnson, etc., the rap sheet goes on. Oh, and lets not forget T.O.'s 1 year stint. Those aren't the kind of guys that build morale or accountability. What struck me as funny about this trade though is if you were going to ask the average NFL football fan who the most dysfunctional teams in the NFL have been over the past 2 decades, Cincy would be 1 and Oakland would be 2 followed up with a close 3 with Washington. And isn't that the reason Palmer really wanted out, to get away from incompetence and buffoonery? I really wonder if Palmer would have accepted this trade 3 weeks earlier when Al was still with us or if he would have elected to stay retired? At any rate, I wouldn't expect much out of Palmer for at least 2-3 weeks. We all knew Campbell was going to get hurt, just not the exact week. I wouldn't pronounce the Chiefs dead yet either. The Broncos, yes. The Chargers may have Gates back as well if his foot holds up and that makes Rivers twice as effective so this may all be for 2nd place either way. And I doubt 2 playoff teams come out of the AFC west.



Since: Feb 5, 2009
Posted on: October 18, 2011 1:26 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

Despite the fact Brown called his bluff I have to admire Palmer here.  He made a decision based on principal that was in his best interest and stuck with it.  Sure, he didn't get to play this year, but will still get the prorated amount for this year and the full contract amount next year.  And he's out of Cincy.  Brown looks better than he otherwise would have since Dalton has turned out to be a solid rookie QB.  Then again, without Dalton's success so soon Brown may not have been willing to let Palmer leave.  Only time will tell who the real winners and losers are in this.




Since: Aug 25, 2011
Posted on: October 18, 2011 1:22 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

Wow...bad move by the Raiders, but good riddance for Cincy! IMO Carson thinks he is much better at QB than he is. Let the numbers show how he really only had a couple of good years with Cincy. He has drank the Kool aid on how good he is. The broadcasters constantly wanting to put him in there with the Brady and Manning type QB's. At best he may be able to get to the play offs, but he has shown he can't handle the big time winning part. EVERY time Cincy had a chance he choked! They found other things to blame it on but that's when winners win. When others would fold winners win.


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