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Suh says Lions aren't dirty, Urlacher agrees

Posted on: November 15, 2011 3:00 pm
Edited on: November 16, 2011 6:00 am
 
Things got chippy between Chicago and Detroit Sunday, and the NFL will no doubt punish them accordingly. (Getty Images)

Posted by Ryan Wilson

If the Lions were as aggressive between the whistles as they were after it against the Bears on Sunday, the final score would've been a lot closer than 37-13. Instead, Chicago's defense took advantage of four Matthew Stafford interceptions (including two pick-sixes), Devin Hester added a special-teams touchdown, and Jay Cutler and the offense just got out of the way.

Well, they tried to anyway.

Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh ripped Cutler's helmet off after a tackle (he called it "part of the game"). Later in the game, Suh's teammate, Nick Fairley, drove Cutler into the turf on a late hit. (See here and here for the video evidence.)

Stafford also started a fight when, following his third interception, he brought Bears' cornerback D.J. Moore  to the ground by grabbing his helmet (see the video below). Moore, unimpressed, went after Stafford and just like that, it was on like Donkey Kong.

"I thought the play on Stafford was a little bit over the line," Lions linebacker Justin Durant said, according to MLive.com's Anwar Richardson. "That's how I feel about it. He was just trying to make a play. He had thrown an interception and was trying to get there. The guy just took it overboard."

Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher, appearing on ESPN Radio Chicago, had a different take on the play.

“Their defense was saying something to our sideline late in the game after D.J. Moore beat up their quarterback [Matthew Stafford]. They said some stuff to our sidelines. I don’t know what…their defense was saying something to our sidelines. I don’t know what it was, but there is ways to handle things and there is ways to not handle things. I don’t know…they are a good football team. No doubt about that. They don’t do very good when they get beat up I guess.”

You can judge for yourself if Moore beat up Stafford:


The Lions and Bears mix it up after Stafford takes down Jennings.

Either way, both teams can expect heavy fines, and Durant realizes as much.

"I can imagine some people will have some $20,000 fines," he said. "I'm not sure who was doing what or if anybody was throwing blows. … One time when I was in Jacksonville, we had a fight against the Titans and a couple of guys came off the sidelines and they got fined just for stepping across the sidelines. More than likely, there are going to be some fines."

Using history and the NFL's haphazard approach to punishing players as a guide, we'd wager that, yes, there will be a lot of fines coming out of this.

Lions wide receiver Nate Burelson added: "If you go out there and throw some blows, you got to expect that FedEx letter in your locker."

Much of the conversation this season has been about how the Lions, and Suh in particular, are dirty. Here are two examples from last season that had people so worked up.


Suh explained his approach to the game during an appearance on ESPN's First Take.

"I like to punish the quarterback. I like to punish running backs for them trying to make plays on my defense," he said. "Whether it's dirty or aggressive or whatever that may be, we're going to continue to play that way and make sure we stand up and make sure teams don't run over us."

Urlacher was asked if he thought the Lions were dirty.

“You know what? They play to the echo of the whistle," he said, via Sports Radio Interviews. "As a player you can’t be mad because that is the way the game should be played. They play fast and they play physical and sometimes they go a little bit too far, but you know what? Sometimes you get away with it. …

"I like their head coach. I will tell you that much. I think he has done a good job for that organization and he’s a hard-nosed guy. He wants his guys to play, so I can’t be mad at him, but you don’t like it when you are playing against them because it pisses you off, but you know what they do a good job and they play hard.”

To recap: the Lions aren't dirty, but both teams should expect to be a little lighter in the wallet this week.

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Comments

Since: Jun 26, 2009
Posted on: November 16, 2011 1:07 pm
 

Suh says Lions aren't dirty, Urlacher agrees

Hey, Lets face it the Bears humiliateted them.  I know frustration creeps in when you get pic 6'ed twice and Devin does what he does to you.  I wish Suh played for the Bears as I love his style of play.  But YES he did go overboard when Cutler had his helmet ripped off.  Yes Fairly tried to hurt Cutler when 3 seconds after it was thrown he hits him and drives him into the ground, that may be PAYBACK for Peppers taking out Stafford last year.  But if he hurts him its only bad for the league.  Like Urlacher says, you have to love Shwartz for putting some teeth back into the Hapless Lions and making this division the best in FOOTBALL.  I love it and let's all get in so we can beat them again in January!


Couldnt of said it better, except Fairley was hitting Cutler as he threw the ball. He went too far when he drove Cutler into the ball, as they both took 3 steps and then he drove him into the ground. If you look at the replay, Fairley wasnt looking at Cutler, his head was down. He had no way of knowing when the ball came out IMO. Whether or not Cutler had the ball, he should not have drove him down the way he did, with the crown of his helmet going under Cutlers facemask.



Since: Jun 20, 2007
Posted on: November 16, 2011 12:51 pm
 

Suh says Lions aren't dirty, Urlacher agrees

Hey, Lets face it the Bears humiliateted them.  I know frustration creeps in when you get pic 6'ed twice and Devin does what he does to you.  I wish Suh played for the Bears as I love his style of play.  But YES he did go overboard when Cutler had his helmet ripped off.  Yes Fairly tried to hurt Cutler when 3 seconds after it was thrown he hits him and drives him into the ground, that may be PAYBACK for Peppers taking out Stafford last year.  But if he hurts him its only bad for the league.  Like Urlacher says, you have to love Shwartz for putting some teeth back into the Hapless Lions and making this division the best in FOOTBALL.  I love it and let's all get in so we can beat them again in January!



Since: Sep 27, 2007
Posted on: November 16, 2011 12:47 pm
 

Suh says Lions aren't dirty, Urlacher agrees

The problem with the Lions is they started playing like thugs after they were getting blown out by a better team. They were down 30 points when all the crap started. By the way....check on how many brawls and incidents the Bears have had in the Lovie Smith Era. Now check on the Lions since their tough guy head coach came into town, and they drafted Suzie Q. Also....have fun watching the playoffs on TV....again without your team, Lions fans. How many years has it been? After all those years of picking #1, you would think they might squeeze out a playoff appearance. Guess not. 
Memo to tough guy Schwartz. Win something before you get cocky - all you are now is a cheap shot losing team that will be lucky to finish .500 



Since: Feb 14, 2009
Posted on: November 16, 2011 12:11 pm
 

Suh says Lions aren't dirty, Urlacher agrees

This is football, some level of agression is expected. 



Since: Sep 29, 2011
Posted on: November 16, 2011 12:09 pm
 

Suh says Lions aren't dirty, Urlacher agrees

but both teams should expect to be a little lighter in the wallet this week
Thta's what I keyed in from the article....IMO, the NFL is looking to regain money given to players...jump at the opportunity to get money back...

Anyway, it's all too funny as I thought this was football not the NBA?!?!?!

Here's another dumb rule...the whole "hitting a defensless receiver" thing!  What you're supposed to watch him make th ecatch before applying the hit?  I thought the purpose of the hit was to break up the pass?  I don't see it being call as much it was earlier in the season...maybe the refs aren't looking for it as much, but it's still a dumb rule that should be tossed out!  As long as the hit is clean, let it go.  If you want to throw to a crossing route...just know the hit is coming....

NFL=No Fun League




Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: November 16, 2011 11:34 am
 

Suh says Lions aren't dirty, Urlacher agrees

Maybe the NFL should change the rules to two hand touch, so other fans don't get upset over people being hit too hard.  The amount of rules they have in place right now are a joke.

A defensive player can't tackle a QB low or they will get flagged.  They can't tackle a QB high or they will get flagged.  If a defensive player puts his hand up to try and block a pass and that hand grazes the head of the QB -- they will get flagged, whether intentional or not.  Basically -- if you go after the QB -- you can hit him from the middle of the thigh to his chest -- anywhere else, the flag will be coming.

I watched the replay of the Briggs hit on CJ -- I'm a die hard Lions fan and even I laughed at that flag.  What was he flagged for????  Tackling too hard???  It is the same as Suh's penalty and fine on the Cutler hit last year -- The guy is running with the football and not even attempting to go down and Suh is flagged for shoving him from being too hard?!?!?!  LOL.

Those bitching and crying about hits and "dirty players" -- Go watch bowling or figure skating.  I REALLY find it humorous Bears fans would be all bent out of shape or anything like this, as one of the most revered players in the Bears history is Dick Butkus.  The organization retired his number and he was one of the dirtiest players to ever play the game.  Now the NFL is so sissified by all the rules -- instead of being great, a player is now dirty and other players should try and end their career.  LOL 



Since: Jul 22, 2010
Posted on: November 16, 2011 11:31 am
 

Suh says Lions aren't dirty, Urlacher agrees

the Lions play like devils and talk like Angles.  



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: November 16, 2011 11:22 am
 

Suh says Lions aren't dirty, Urlacher agrees

Suh is a monster of a guy and can inflict pain with clean its, the fact that he always goes for guy's heads makes him dirty.  And Stafford is 6'5" 232 and couldn't get off a block from the 5'9" 175lb Moore so he resorted to grabbing his helmet.  Perfect example of sore losers who couldn't do thing during a hard hitting game so they had to resort to dirty plays to try to get their self respect back. 
prossi -- what does size have to do with anything???  stafford is a qb.  he didn't make it to the nfl by shedding blocks and making tackles.  with your logic -- sav rocca, the punter for the eagles, who stands at 6-5  265 lbs, should double up as a defensive end, since he has the size.

it boggles me to hear bears fans still whining over that play.  should it have been a flag???  yes.  did moore overreact??? absolutely.  that is why he was tossed from the game and will more likely be facing one of the biggest fines.  if every player reacted like DJ Moore after a play they didn't like -- you'd have brawls in every game.

the late hit by Fairley was much worse than what Stafford did IMO.  throwing a player to the ground like Stafford did isn't career threatening.  Fairley drove Cutler to the ground and the crown of his helmet rode up his chest and under Cutler's chin.  THAT was much worse than the Moore play. 



Since: Dec 1, 2008
Posted on: November 16, 2011 11:20 am
 

Suh says Lions aren't dirty, Urlacher agrees

The Ref, Excellent post.  You saved me from having to typ it myself. 

The fan's mentality is changing for the NFL because of all of these fines and the NFL speaking out against violence.  That is a part of football and anyone that complains about it can go watch tennis or golf (or basketball according to The Ref).




Since: Jan 1, 2008
Posted on: November 16, 2011 11:18 am
 

Suh says Lions aren't dirty, Urlacher agrees

I agree with prossi24.

This isn't about how the game was played in years past, nor is it about whether the Lions are a good team or not. The way I would define a dirty player is one who performs outside the bounds of the rules with intent to injure. Urlacher isn't going to call them dirty because he doesn't want to have that come back should he do something as described above.

If you look at the hit against Cleveland last season, and the way he ripped off Cutler's helmet this past Sunday (Unbelievably not called a penalty btw) among many others, you can not deny that Suh plays outside the rules of the game with intent to injure. That makes him, IMO a dirty player. He is highly skilled and physically gifted which makes the offense even worse because it is not necessary. That is why the penalty called Unneccesary Roughness exists.

Just because players in the past played the same way and did not get fined for it does not make them less dirty either. I never had a chance to see Butkus play live, but I am sure he was a dirty player. There are other dirty players in the NFL right now to be sure, but it is becoming part of the Lions reputation because it is becoming pervasive on their team.

So, Detroit fans, I would suggest rather than trying to defend Suh and his teammates, just embrace the dirty play as you did with the degenerate Pistons in the late 80s-early 90s, and hope that it works as well for the Lions as it did for the Pistons back then. 


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