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Let 'Redskins will trade up for RGIII' rumors fly

Posted on: January 5, 2012 9:01 pm
Edited on: January 5, 2012 9:02 pm
 
Washington needs a quarterback, obviously. The question is who will it be in 2012? (US PRESSWIRE)

By Ryan Wilson

For 20 NFL teams, the 2011 season ended last Sunday. For the Redskins under owner Dan Snyder, this time of year has become known as their offseason Super Bowl. It's an unflattering commentary on their free-spending personnel decisions in free agency and the draft that ratchets up fans' hopes before crushing them, usually around Halloween. It's became an annual event, though less so under head coach Mike Shanahan and general manager Bruce Allen.

But as the saying goes, old habits die hard. With the free agency two months off and the NFL Draft some six weeks after that, the speculation has begun.

2012 NFL Draft
This isn't surprising based on recent team history and the Redskins' dire need for a quarterback. Even Joe Gibbs, the man who traded for Mark Brunell and installed him as the starter in 2004, acknowledges as much.

"Generally for me the number one thing you want to try to do, whatever the cost, is try to solve the quarterback situation, get that thing solidified," he said during an appearance on ESPN 980. "I think the Redskins are going through that process, [to find] a solid starter that’ll been there every game for them, somebody they really can say can take them to the promised land."

In early December, we wondered if Peyton Manning might be in Washington's future before the media rumor mill started throwing around the idea that the 'Skins might be in the "trading up for Andrew Luck" business.

Here's the latest, via ESPN's John Clayton, who appeared on Vinny Cerrato's Baltimore radio show earlier this week (transcription courtesy of the Sports Bog's Dan Steinberg): Washington should draft Baylor's Robert Griffin III.

“You can see how the dynamics go,” Clayton said. “You’re at the mercy of the draft. I would have to think if you’re gonna be Matt Flynn, send a nice thank you to Matt Barkley for making you $12 million, because think about where he would fit in.

“If you’re Cleveland, you do have a chance to trade up to get RGIII, but if you can’t get him, then you might consider Matt Flynn because he’s in that Green Bay West Coast offense system. Seattle, sitting down with the what 11th or 12th pick depending on the coin toss, they’re gonna be out of position to get a quarterback, so I think they’re gonna have to be in the mix. Miami is gonna have to choose between Orton or Matt Flynn.”

When Cerrato asked about the 'Skins, Clayton responded, almost reflexively: “Ah, they’ll trade with St. Louis and get RGIII.”

The Colts have the top pick in April's draft followed by the Rams. Indianapolis has an obvious need at quarterback (even if Manning's healthy, he ain't playing forever) but St. Louis took their franchise quarterback, Sam Bradford, with the 2010 first-overall pick. If the demand for Griffin is sufficiently high, the Rams may be willing to trade down.

Helping Griffin's stock? The news Thursday afternoon that Oklahoma's Landry Jones will return to school.

This comes two weeks after USC's Matt Barkley announced he was staying for his senior season, taking two possible first-round talents out of this year's draft pool. The other beneficiary in addition to Griffin? Matt Flynn, of course.

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Since: Jan 6, 2012
Posted on: January 6, 2012 6:00 pm
 

Let 'Redskins will trade up for RGIII' rumors fly

Steve_O said .....
"Matt Flynn ........ Lions defense could make Ryan Leaf or Tim Couch look like an All-pro"

It's rediculous for Tim Couch's name to be thrown into the same sentence as Ryan Leaf.  I'm a Kentucky fan, so the subject of Tim Couch's NFL career is a sore one.

There's really no telling how successful Tim Couch's NFL career might have been under different circumstances.  Couch was a very talented young QB with a bright future ahead of him in the NFL.  Then he was drafted by the Cleveland Browns, who completely wasted it.  The depth of incompetence among the Browns front office personnel and coaching staffs was legendary while Couch was there.  It's no surprise that only one of them still has a job in football.

Carmen Policy = Unemployed
Dwight Clark = Unemployed
Chris Palmer = The only one who still works in the NFL (current Titans OC)
Butch Davis = Unemployed.  Fired by Browns.  Went back to college at North Carolina, where he cheated and was fired.

Those morons drafted a QB with the #1 pick and then did nothing to help protect him.  They put Couch in a position where failure was guaranteed, and got him hurt numerous times exposing him to pressure behind a woefully inexperienced expansion offensive line.  He missed the final nine games of the 2000 season with a broken thumb, suffered a broken leg in the final game of the 2002 regular season, and then a shoulder injury in 2003, which ended up being career ending (he had multiple surgeries and an unsuccessful attempt to revive his career in Green Bay).

The high point of Couch's career came in 2002, when he threw for 2,842 yards at 61.6% and 18 TD's, which lead the Browns to a 9-7 record and their only playoff appearance in the last 14 years (since returning as an expansion team).  I might be wrong, but I think Tim Couch is the only rookie QB, since the AFL/NFL merger, to lead an expansion team to the playoffs within the first 4 seasons.


As far as comparing Tim Couch & Ryan Leaf, there's really no comparison.

TIM COUCH
Year ...... Games ..... Comp ..... Att ...... Yards ....... Comp% .... TD .... INT .... Rating
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1999 ......... 15 ........ 223 ...... 399 ...... 2,447 ....... 55.9% ..... 15 ..... 13 ....... 73.2
2000 ......... 07 ........ 137 ...... 215 ...... 1,483 ....... 63.7% ...... 7 ....... 9 ........ 77.3
2001 ......... 16 ........ 272 ...... 454 ...... 3,040 ....... 59.9% ..... 17 ..... 21 ....... 73.1
2002 ......... 14 ........ 273 ...... 443 ...... 2,842 ....... 61.6% ..... 18 ..... 18 ....... 76.8
2003 ......... 10 ........ 120 ...... 203 ...... 1,319 ....... 59.1% ...... 7 ....... 6 ........ 77.6
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Career ....... 62 ...... 1,025 ... 1,714 .... 11,131 ....... 59.8% ..... 64 ..... 67 ....... 75.1


RYAN LEAF
Year ...... Games ..... Comp ..... Att ...... Yards ....... Comp% .... TD .... INT .... Rating
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1998 ......... 10 ......... 111 ...... 245 ...... 1,289 ....... 45.3% ....... 2 ..... 15 ....... 39.0
2000 ......... 11 ......... 161 ...... 322 ...... 1,883 ....... 50.0% ..... 11 ..... 18 ....... 56.2
2001 ........... 4 ........... 45 ....... 88 ......... 494 ........ 51.1% ...... 1 ....... 3 ....... 57.7
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Career ....... 25 ......... 317 ...... 655 ..... 3,666 ........ 48.4% ..... 14 ..... 36 ....... 50.0

If played 62 games ... 444 ...... 917 ..... 5,132 ........ 48.4% ..... 19 ..... 50 ....... 50.0

Those numbers become even more glaring when you consider that Couch was playing for an expansion team, while Leaf was playing for the San Diego Chargers, who had just been in the Super Bowl 3 years prior to his arrival.  Couch's career stats are above average for any QB on an expansion team, much less a rookie.  His career went down in flames due to his circumstances, not due to his lack of skills playing the QB position.



Since: Jan 1, 2008
Posted on: January 6, 2012 4:52 pm
 

Let 'Redskins will trade up for RGIII' rumors fly

Didn't Irsay 'guaranty' to bring back Peyton?  I thought i heard him say that a couple weeks ago.  If that's the case wouldn't they be willing to trade the pick for a handsome sum of picks?  I can see the Browns making a play for #1, and then we could possibly sit tight and pick RG3 at #6.

Go Skins!



Since: Dec 19, 2008
Posted on: January 6, 2012 2:40 pm
 

Let 'Redskins will trade up for RGIII' rumors fly

The Redskins would be stupid to make a trade for Manning. Sorry he's at the end of his carrer and the price would be to high. I'm wondering if the Redskins should stay at number 6 and see what falls their way. If you can't get a top QB with the 6 pick focus on other areas. There will be a free agent or three out there that you can sign short term. Orton for example, and the Redskins still need a lot of additional playmakers on both sides of the ball. If the Redskins didn't have so many needs then they could draft up but even if they do.................... Only let it effect the 2012 draft. 



Since: Dec 17, 2009
Posted on: January 6, 2012 2:34 pm
 

Let 'Redskins will trade up for RGIII' rumors fly

There are signifigant differences between Matt Flynn and Kevin Kolb. Kevin Kolb was a fairly highly-touted player coming out and was a 2nd rd pick. Matt Flynn was a 7th rd pick who managed to not only catch on and make the team but qound up working his way to be the backup to Rodgers. So he has had to earn everything he got and has had nothing handed to him as the much higher drafted Kolb did. Also, the GB/WSH offenses are much more similar than PHI/AZ.



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Posted on: January 6, 2012 2:02 pm
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Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: January 6, 2012 11:09 am
 

Let 'Redskins will trade up for RGIII' rumors fly

My guess is that they will trade Peyton Manning to someone and get most of this years draft for him from that team.

No team in their right mind is going to trade for Peyton Manning. The asking price for the greatest QB in NFL history is going to be ridiculously high and there is ZERO chance that a 37 year old coming off of another neck surgery could possibly be worth what Indy will want for him. Indy will be forced to release Manning before they pay him his huge salary bump in March and he can go wherever he wants. If he is smart, he'll go to San Francisco, the team that is closest to "a QB away from the Super Bowl".



Since: Jan 5, 2012
Posted on: January 6, 2012 10:55 am
 

Let 'Redskins will trade up for RGIII' rumors fly

I'd prefer he go to Indy and study under Peyton Manning.....Having said that he'd be a starter in Washington as they have no one else that is clutch at QB!


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Since: Dec 29, 2009
Posted on: January 6, 2012 10:52 am
 

Let 'Redskins will trade up for RGIII' rumors fly

RG3 would be a good fit in Redskin land. As for the Flynn bandwagon, just two words: Kevin Kolb.



Since: Nov 30, 2011
Posted on: January 6, 2012 9:54 am
 

Let 'Redskins will trade up for RGIII' rumors fly

Once we get a idea of exactly what the Colts are doing with Peyton Manning all the chips will fall into place. My guess is that they will trade Peyton Manning to someone and get most of this years draft for him from that team. Then, the worst case happens to Peyton Manning is he gets sacked so hard in a meaningless preseason game and career is over. Whichever teams it is will be truely screwed for yet another season.


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