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Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

Posted on: February 16, 2012 10:22 am
Edited on: February 16, 2012 11:23 am
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Maybe Flacco should just get Brady's contract? (Getty Images)
By Will Brinson

On Tuesday we mentioned that Joe Flacco's camp and the Ravens might start talking about a new contract next week at the 2012 NFL Combine. We also discussed where Flacco fits in terms of the financial quarterback hierarchy, noting that surely he deserves to be paid more than Matt Cassel, Kevin Kolb or Ryan Fitzpatrick, $60-million men in their own right.

Apparently, we badly undershot the expectations of Flacco's camp -- Flacco's agent Joe Linta told Matt Vensel of the Baltimore Sun that the Ravens quarterback needs to get the same kind of money that a top-five quarterback would expect.

"If the game is about wins and losses, he has to be in the top five [quarterbacks],” Linta said. “He is a player who has been extremely durable, never missed a game. And he’s done something that no one has ever done. In his four years in the league, he has never missed a game and has more wins than any other quarterback."

Now, the reaction to this "WHAT?" That's understandable, because Flacco, frankly, isn't a top-five quarterback in the NFL. He's probably (definitely?) not a top-ten quarterback either. (If we were picking quarterbacks to start a team looking to win both now and in the future, we'd take Flacco 15th.)

But Linta phrased this perfectly. If the game is about wins and losses, then, yes, Flacco is a top-five quarterback. Only Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith won more games in 2011. And Flacco's won a lot of playoff games and showed that he can perform under pressure in 2011, even if his overall game took a step back.

But Flacco doesn't win those games by himself. The Ravens ranking No. 3 in overall defense in 2011 helped somewhat. As did Ray Rice and Ricky Williams rumbling Baltimore to a top-10 ranking in rushing yards.

The "quarterback wins" argument is a tired one, in our opinion, but one that still holds water, especially when negotiating a contract. But that being said, if Linta can parlay Flacco's NFL career into "top-five money," he'll be the big winner, since every single NFL player should hire him to negotiate their deals.

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Since: Oct 28, 2006
Posted on: February 21, 2012 9:41 pm
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

Flacco isn't top 10 it's the team that is. I'd be hard pressed to think he's a whole lot better than Kyle Orton. A team like the Ravens can allow an average QB to look decent. Draft someone and pick up Manning when he's released. Manning on the Ravens would probably put them back in the Super Bowl.



Since: Nov 19, 2008
Posted on: February 18, 2012 9:05 am
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

Really if you ask any Jets fans, none would trade Sanchez for Fiasco. So top 10? Are you out of your mind? The Ravens have had the best defense from Fiasco first game up to now, and he won less playoffs games than Sanchez did with the Jets.

They have a great running game, the best defense and they can't win more than that? Elite? What about :

Brady, the Mannings, Big Ben, Brees, Rodgers, Scaub, Romo, Vick, Stafford, Cutler...these 11 guys are better than Sanchez who himself is a better version of Joe Fiasco. And then there are those young guns Josh Freeman, Cam Newton and the up coming Andrew Luck.

Come on man, even if your a Black Birds fans, you would have to be blind to believe that Sloppy Joe is Elite or in the top 10.

Reallity sucks sometimes but that's what it is. He is 12th at best.   



Since: Sep 25, 2009
Posted on: February 17, 2012 7:41 pm
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

i would disagree about the good line comment....the offensive line is pretty bad ( see the playoff game vs the pats, who have a terrible D).  Our receivers are average at best.  Bolden has no speed and cannot get seperation from DBs.  I would say flacco is better than average but far from Top 5.
I disagree on the WRs. I like Boldin and the games I watched he was open a lot of the time but Flacco only takes the dump off. They have Torrey Smith I believe now who is a speedster and gets separation, although I haven't watched enough Ravens games to say that with confidence. I have watched enough of Boldin though to state that he is definitely not the problem.

As for the O-line, actually outside of Brady most of the top QBs have average O-lines, and some have absolutely awful ones. I don't think Vick even has an O-line, just turnstyles. If you put Vick behind the Ravens O-line he'd probably put up ridiculous stats.

The thing is the best QBs, the Brees, the Mannings, the Rodgers, they all make their O-lines look a lot better than they are because they can shift around and read defenses. So when you try to put pressure on them, they quickly pick out a hole and you don't even get close to them. All the bad QBs in this league hold onto the ball forever and never know where to go with the ball, and wind up making their lines and WRs look really bad.

I think Flacco is easily in the bottom half of QBs. Honestly I have him really low.



Since: Aug 31, 2006
Posted on: February 17, 2012 3:11 pm
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

You are exactly right,  pay Flacco the big bucks, he is a top ten Q.B. in your eyes.    I dont care about your break down,  Romo will be Q.B. next year for the Cowboys, Flacco will lead your team and Stafford will be growing with the Lions,  and of the three,  I take Stafford,  because he does air it out, he has the great receiver and his coach believes in him for his system!!!!!!   And its hard for me to say it, since I am a Cowboy fan.    By the way,  even against week def,  rarely does Flacco have big numbers,  he dont or cant throw down field consistently enough and thats a fact!!!      
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Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: February 17, 2012 12:27 pm
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

Thanks. That was my entire point. Top 10 (maybe 11), very battle tested, trust him more than Stafford. End of story. Thanks for the entire Lions season breakdown. Was I supposed to read that?
pimpslappin,

i wouldn't respond to what i said either, as you know the truth hurts.  fact is -- in his 4th year in the league, with one of the best RBs in the game -- he completed 57% of his passes and had a QB rating of 80!!!!!!

and i didn't breakdown the lions season -- you asked me what stafford did last year, so i responded to you.  pretty simple.

i'll give you a stat to explain to you the ravens success and it has nothing to do with Joe Flacco:

Baltimore's 4 losses -- Ray Rice averages 9 carries a game

Baltimore's 12 wins -- Ray Rice averages 22 carries a game


you tell me who is more responsible for the success on the Baltimore Ravens and deserves to be paid as a top 5-10 player???  the guy who led RBs in yards from scrimmage or the QB who completed 57% of his passes and had a QB rating of 80???

since you wanted to play the Calvin Johnson card -- take away Ray Rice from the Ravens and how bad do you think Flacco would be when defenses don't have to gameplan to stack the box to stop him?!?!  LOL.

 



Since: Aug 18, 2009
Posted on: February 17, 2012 12:23 pm
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

Top 5 probably not. Top 10 definitely. Yes, he makes some bonehead moves and drives me crazy with his once a week fumble. But the game winning drive in Pittsburgh and his play in the AFC Championship game impressed the heck out of me. He can make all the throws and no longer seems to crack under pressure. Still a lot of room for improvement but I'd take him on my team any day.



Since: Jan 7, 2007
Posted on: February 17, 2012 11:52 am
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

Easily 7-10 but 15, you gotta be kidding me.

Joe is more than an average QB, that is for sure. Durable, hell of a spiral and long ball. I am a homer yes but you can't overlook the facts.

No top 5, not yet.



Since: Jan 7, 2008
Posted on: February 17, 2012 10:43 am
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

i would disagree about the good line comment....the offensive line is pretty bad ( see the playoff game vs the pats, who have a terrible D).  Our receivers are average at best.  Bolden has no speed and cannot get seperation from DBs.  I would say flacco is better than average but far from Top 5.



Since: Feb 13, 2008
Posted on: February 17, 2012 10:25 am
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

The Games they put the ball in JOE'S hand they lost. Ray Rice was the man he has a good game they win.
Joe's own team don't doesn't have faith in him just ask the defence. Get real top 15 maybe.



Since: Sep 25, 2009
Posted on: February 17, 2012 10:13 am
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

This is a joke right!!!  If you want to go by wins and losses then Tebow deserves top 10 QB money come on are you kidding me.  If any team is dumb enough to give this guy top 5 $$$ they should be fired.  He's an average at best QB and reminds me a lot of Mark Sanchez in which the Jets are considering other options at this point.  I'm sick and tired of these agents trying to stack their pocket books with crazy points in which there client deserves so much.  The future does not look good with these mediocre athletes thinking they deserve so much when you could put just about anyone in there position and be alright especially in Baltimore's situation.
He is almost exactly the same as Mark Sanchez. Those Ravens-Jets games the past few years have been nationally televised I believe, so everyone must have seen them. They are both really, really bad. Flacco is something like 1 point better than Sanchez but the games are always close. The Ravens defense is probably better than the Jets too, so I don't know that if you swap those two QBs Sanchez doesn't actually perform better than Flacco does on the Ravens. After all, Flacco has the luxury of handing off to Ray Rice.


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