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Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

Posted on: February 16, 2012 10:22 am
Edited on: February 16, 2012 11:23 am
 
Maybe Flacco should just get Brady's contract? (Getty Images)
By Will Brinson

On Tuesday we mentioned that Joe Flacco's camp and the Ravens might start talking about a new contract next week at the 2012 NFL Combine. We also discussed where Flacco fits in terms of the financial quarterback hierarchy, noting that surely he deserves to be paid more than Matt Cassel, Kevin Kolb or Ryan Fitzpatrick, $60-million men in their own right.

Apparently, we badly undershot the expectations of Flacco's camp -- Flacco's agent Joe Linta told Matt Vensel of the Baltimore Sun that the Ravens quarterback needs to get the same kind of money that a top-five quarterback would expect.

"If the game is about wins and losses, he has to be in the top five [quarterbacks],” Linta said. “He is a player who has been extremely durable, never missed a game. And he’s done something that no one has ever done. In his four years in the league, he has never missed a game and has more wins than any other quarterback."

Now, the reaction to this "WHAT?" That's understandable, because Flacco, frankly, isn't a top-five quarterback in the NFL. He's probably (definitely?) not a top-ten quarterback either. (If we were picking quarterbacks to start a team looking to win both now and in the future, we'd take Flacco 15th.)

But Linta phrased this perfectly. If the game is about wins and losses, then, yes, Flacco is a top-five quarterback. Only Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith won more games in 2011. And Flacco's won a lot of playoff games and showed that he can perform under pressure in 2011, even if his overall game took a step back.

But Flacco doesn't win those games by himself. The Ravens ranking No. 3 in overall defense in 2011 helped somewhat. As did Ray Rice and Ricky Williams rumbling Baltimore to a top-10 ranking in rushing yards.

The "quarterback wins" argument is a tired one, in our opinion, but one that still holds water, especially when negotiating a contract. But that being said, if Linta can parlay Flacco's NFL career into "top-five money," he'll be the big winner, since every single NFL player should hire him to negotiate their deals.

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Comments

Since: Apr 7, 2009
Posted on: February 17, 2012 9:28 am
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

Flacco is not top 5 money and his agent will never win that argument! 



Since: Aug 30, 2007
Posted on: February 17, 2012 8:08 am
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

IT's easier to throw up big numbers when you constantly play weak defenses. Is Joe Flacco a top five QB? No, but he is probably top ten and very battle tested.


JMO
Thanks. That was my entire point. Top 10 (maybe 11), very battle tested, trust him more than Stafford. End of story. Thanks for the entire Lions season breakdown. Was I supposed to read that?



Since: Aug 30, 2007
Posted on: February 17, 2012 8:06 am
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

I'd agree with this list, but you left out #6, did you have Ben there? That's where I'd put Roethlisberger, after Eli but before Rivers.

Yeah, I would too. I just forgot him. I think he is #6 also.



Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: February 17, 2012 7:53 am
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

Top 5? Are you crazy? Flacco is average at best. Plays with one of the best Ds around, top flight back, good WRs and a good line. What's the problem? Flacco is not holding up his end. NOT ELITE!!



Since: Dec 1, 2009
Posted on: February 17, 2012 5:58 am
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

"Please please please pay flacco top 5 QB money baltimore.  Nothing would make me happier than having this dud hog up cap space for years to come."  --STEELRFAN39

That's right, parity means having to pick and choose your team's excellences. Terrell won't be able to get it done all by his lonesome when Ray and Ed finally hang 'em up. They'll likely have to hit a dry hole or two before they hit oil, which will be tough enough while they're paying Average Joe what he IS worth.

It never ceases to amaze and amuse. Everybody's an expert on who their team needs, with never a thought in their heads for the condition of their wallets. There's a reason why the Steelers coach up their offensive line with such focused passion. Brains and discipline and mutual loyalty substitute for raw talent on the line to a remarkable extent, just as they do at LB. As with Larry Foote, most come to realize that their success is truly a matter of teamwork; that they're not as valuable to most other teams.

Joe may live to bitterly regret cashing the big checks. As will his next team and their fans.




Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: February 17, 2012 4:36 am
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

My argument was never that Flacco is a top 5 QB. I would put him at 9th or 10th. My argument is that I would rank him higher than Stafford after Staffords one good year and his propensity to just chuck it downfield to all-world WR Calvin Johnson. In other words, a lot of his stats were built on shoot outs and prayers. You know who else had a pretty good year ago, Josh Freeman. Not as good as Staffords, but he also didn't have anyone close to Calvin Johnson on his team. How did he do last year? 

Just to clarify due to your inability to get this, here goes: 

1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rogers
3. Drew Brees
4. Still Peyton Manning
5. Eli Manning
7  Phillip Rivers
8. Tony Romo
9. Matt Schaub
10. Joe Flacco
11. Matt Ryan
12. Jay Cutler
13. Matt Stafford
14. Mike Vick
15. who cares at this point
 
Just my opinion of Stafford. Which also is shared by Marshal Faulk apparently. 
pimpslappin,

it might be one of the most ignorant statements i've read saying a QB threw for 5000 yards built on shoot outs and prayers.  if that is the case -- why is it only 4 QBs have thrown for 5000 yards in NFL history??  Oh yeah -- he also had FORTY ONE TD PASSES.  just an FYI too -- Stafford didn't play in the 4th quarter against KC because of a blowout and in games against Denver and SD handed the ball off the entire 4th quarter because of blowouts or his stats could have been bigger.  comparing stafford throwing for 5000 and 41 tds to josh freeman is pure stupidity.  and your question on how stafford did last year -- he played the equivalent of 2 full games last year -- he threw for 600 yards with 6 tds and 1 interception -- here is what was going on in the games when he was the QB:

Game 1 -- At Chicago -- Detroit was beating the Bears by 10 with the ball just before the half.  He was blindsided by Julius Peppers and seperated his Shoulder.  Detroit lost the game after he went out.

Game 5 -- Washington -- Stafford played the whole game, threw 4 tds and Detroit won by 9 or 10.

Game 6 -- NYJ -- Detroit was beating the Jets by 10 early in the 2nd half when Stafford was sacked injuring his shoulder again.  Detroit went on to lose to the Jets in overtime. 

I don't see how Detroit can't just throw any QB in there, like you said, it isn't about being a great QB, you can just chuck it up and pray.  LMAO.

like i said -- you want a QB who is comparable to Flacco -- look at Mark Sanchez.  like Flacco fans -- his teams have won in the playoffs and made it to 2 straight AFCCG until this past year.  Flacco is a slightly better version than Sanchez.  Both are asked to be game managers, not to win games.  Flacco has a stronger arm though.  Both QBs are blessed with stout defenses and great running games.

also -- you mentioned stafford and flacco switching teams -- there is no chance i would ever want that.  if flacco can only complete 57% of his passes with one of the best running games in the NFL -- what is he going to do when defenses are planning to do everything to stop him from passing, something stafford deals with on a game to game basis. 



Since: Dec 30, 2008
Posted on: February 16, 2012 10:39 pm
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

 It's funny how everyone throws out stats but dosen't talk about the defenses they play against.

  Matt Stafford  vs  top ten def. 1 game 
      
;     &nbs
p;   vs  11 thru 20 def. 7 games
      
;     &nbs
p;   vs  21 thru 32 def.  8 games     
5 games vs 28 thru 32 def.


Matt Ryan  vs top ten def.  4 games
      
;     &nbs
p;    vs 11 thru 20 def. 2 games
      
;     &nbs
p;    vs 21 thru 32 def. 11 games     5 games vs 28 thru 32 def.


Joe Flacco  vs top ten def.  12 games
      
;     &nbs
p;    vs 11 thru 20 def.  3 games
      
;     &nbs
p;    vs 21 thru 32 def. 3 games    1 game vs 28 thru 32     &nb
sp; 6 games vs top 5 def.


 IT's easier to throw up big numbers when you constantly play weak defenses. Is Joe Flacco a top five QB? No, but he is probably top ten and very battle tested.


JMO



Since: Feb 14, 2012
Posted on: February 16, 2012 10:27 pm
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

You are right the trick will be can he stay health next year if he can he could end up being in the top five.  His next step in growth comes with playoff wins and a super bowl.  Living just down the road in Monroe I would love to see him take them to a super bowl.  But again he needs to stay health.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 16, 2012 10:22 pm
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

Geez, didn't I just say the same thing about an hour ago on this very board? I guess Marshall Faulk doesn't know shit either, huh? 
Your homer opinion doesn't count either redwings. You get a QB for the first time on your team since what, ever, and he's all world because he can throw a jump ball to Calvin Johnson? Please.

Dude.  You could take Calvin's 1700 yards or so off Stafford's numbers and he still almost beats Flacco in passing yards.  LOL

Stop pretending like you've watched any Lions games.  Calvin had 10 catches over 40 yards, the other 86 or so were less then that. What does a 10 or 20 yard jump ball look like moron?  Stafford knows how to read an opposing defence and most importantly put up monster numbers without even the threat of a running game.  Teams knew what he was doing yet they still couldn't stop him.

And you still haven't answered my question about Peyton Manning.  Is he junk?  He had Marvin Harrison and the best offensive line for a few years I've ever seen in the NFL.  Peyton hardly got dirty most games, yet he can't scramble to save his life.  Tells you how great his o-line was, so I guess Peyton Manning sucks donkey balls?  LOL

Flacco isn't going to see top 5 money, unless it's in his dreams.  If Baltimore even pays him top 10 money they're losing their mind. But they won't... they are way smarter then that.   Any qb with a running game and a great D behind him that gets him great field position and rarely asks him to do much with a passer rating of 80 is a joke. 



Since: Aug 19, 2011
Posted on: February 16, 2012 10:12 pm
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rogers
3. Drew Brees
4. Still Peyton Manning
5. Eli Manning
7  Phillip Rivers
I'd agree with this list, but you left out #6, did you have Ben there? That's where I'd put Roethlisberger, after Eli but before Rivers.


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