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Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

Posted on: February 16, 2012 10:22 am
Edited on: February 16, 2012 11:23 am
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Maybe Flacco should just get Brady's contract? (Getty Images)
By Will Brinson

On Tuesday we mentioned that Joe Flacco's camp and the Ravens might start talking about a new contract next week at the 2012 NFL Combine. We also discussed where Flacco fits in terms of the financial quarterback hierarchy, noting that surely he deserves to be paid more than Matt Cassel, Kevin Kolb or Ryan Fitzpatrick, $60-million men in their own right.

Apparently, we badly undershot the expectations of Flacco's camp -- Flacco's agent Joe Linta told Matt Vensel of the Baltimore Sun that the Ravens quarterback needs to get the same kind of money that a top-five quarterback would expect.

"If the game is about wins and losses, he has to be in the top five [quarterbacks],” Linta said. “He is a player who has been extremely durable, never missed a game. And he’s done something that no one has ever done. In his four years in the league, he has never missed a game and has more wins than any other quarterback."

Now, the reaction to this "WHAT?" That's understandable, because Flacco, frankly, isn't a top-five quarterback in the NFL. He's probably (definitely?) not a top-ten quarterback either. (If we were picking quarterbacks to start a team looking to win both now and in the future, we'd take Flacco 15th.)

But Linta phrased this perfectly. If the game is about wins and losses, then, yes, Flacco is a top-five quarterback. Only Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith won more games in 2011. And Flacco's won a lot of playoff games and showed that he can perform under pressure in 2011, even if his overall game took a step back.

But Flacco doesn't win those games by himself. The Ravens ranking No. 3 in overall defense in 2011 helped somewhat. As did Ray Rice and Ricky Williams rumbling Baltimore to a top-10 ranking in rushing yards.

The "quarterback wins" argument is a tired one, in our opinion, but one that still holds water, especially when negotiating a contract. But that being said, if Linta can parlay Flacco's NFL career into "top-five money," he'll be the big winner, since every single NFL player should hire him to negotiate their deals.

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Since: Jan 18, 2012
Posted on: February 16, 2012 6:45 pm
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

Ezjavy said

HIGHlarious. Hey agents got to do their thing, but thats funny. Id rate him about 14th in league, and I'll say this, I think Newton, Dalton and....wait for it..... Luck will all be considered better by next year bumping him even further down the list. Joe Flacco = Avg NFL starter. Top 5, not in his life.



You said it best. The only question I have is Scott Boras working on an assumed name?    
   


  



Since: Feb 19, 2011
Posted on: February 16, 2012 6:18 pm
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

LMAO... Flacco might not be better than a BOTTOM 5 quarterback. I have nothing against the guy, and honestly, nothing against the Ravens for the most part. But Flacco is AWFUL.



Since: Nov 19, 2008
Posted on: February 16, 2012 5:46 pm
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

This agent must be a drunk...Joe Fiasco elite? ha ha ha what a joke man. At least I will have laugh once today, thank you Mr. Linta. ha ha ha




Since: Aug 30, 2007
Posted on: February 16, 2012 5:18 pm
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

As if on cue. Look to the right side of the page and take a gander at what Marshal Faulk thinks of Staffords "1" year. Here, I'll give you a quote to save you some time.
"Throwing for 5,000 yards in the NFL right now is nothing," Faulk said. "I don't want to take anything away from it. As much as people throw the football now, you better have 5,000 [yards] if you have ."

Geez, didn't I just say the same thing about an hour ago on this very board? I guess Marshall Faulk doesn't know shit either, huh?
Your homer opinion doesn't count either redwings. You get a QB for the first time on your team since what, ever, and he's all world because he can throw a jump ball to Calvin Johnson? Please.



Since: Oct 8, 2008
Posted on: February 16, 2012 5:15 pm
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

Middle of the road at best. Worst fantacy QB in history too



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 16, 2012 5:11 pm
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

A Qb is only as good as his defense. Flacco has a stellar defense and isn'r required to put up big numbers. I think I clearly stated that in my previous post. Point being, if you put Flacco on the Lions and Stafford on the Ravens, Flacco and Stafford, I think you would see similar numbers. Only Flacco has proven he can do it, more than one year. LMAO.

You could assemble an offensive hall of fame cast in their prime and Flacco wouldn't be capable of putting up the numbers Stafford did this year.  The fact you're actually even pretending that could happen makes you as stupid as they come on these boards.  WOW. 



Since: Aug 30, 2007
Posted on: February 16, 2012 5:00 pm
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

MikeD, I'll quote you.

as far as playoff records -- stafford threw for 380 yards and 3 tds against NO -- Detroit's defense forced exactly ZERO punts against New Orleans.  so no matter how good stafford is -- a QB is only as good as the defense they have.  

A Qb is only as good as his defense. Flacco has a stellar defense and isn'r required to put up big numbers. I think I clearly stated that in my previous post. Point being, if you put Flacco on the Lions and Stafford on the Ravens, Flacco and Stafford, I think you would see similar numbers. Only Flacco has proven he can do it, more than one year. LMAO.



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: February 16, 2012 4:45 pm
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

Dude, 1681 of those yds went to Calvin Johnson. Of those, 600yds were jump balls. One good year does not make you a top 5 QB. Rex Gossman would pass for close to 5000 yds with Calvin Johnson as his #1 receiver. Get a grip. Flacco has won more playoff games than Stafford has played in. He would have went to the Super Bowl this year if it weren't for Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff. How did Stafford do in his playoff game? Stafford plays in a pass first offense with a running game that ranks near last in the league as well as poor statistical defense, Flacco plays in the exact opposite. So using yrds/season is not a very good measuring stick.
pimpslapped,

if you want to take away the 1600 yards he threw to Calvin Johnson -- Stafford still threw for around 3400 yards.  if you want to take away the 16 touchdowns to Calvin Johnson -- Stafford still threw 25 tds to other players or 5 more than Flacco.

also -- stafford has only played one full season (2011) -- in that one season, his completion % (63.5) is higher than Flacco has had in any year he has played in the NFL.  his QB rating (97.2) is higher than Flacco has had in any year he has played in the NFL.  his 5000+ yards is 1400 yards more than Flacco has thrown for in any year he has played in the NFL.  his 41 touchdowns are 15 more than Flacco has thrown during any year he has played in the NFL.

as far as playoff records -- stafford threw for 380 yards and 3 tds against NO -- Detroit's defense forced exactly ZERO punts against New Orleans.  so no matter how good stafford is -- a QB is only as good as the defense they have.  

out of curiousity -- how can baltimore have the running attack that they have, yet Flacco completes only 57% of his passes on the year???  stafford threw 121 more times than flacco -- for flacco to match stafford's completion %, he would have had to go 110 for 121 to get up to stafford's level.

i will also humor you on the yards/season argument -- but how do you explain a QB rating of 80 for Flacco and 97 for Stafford?  how do you explain 41 tds to 20 tds, when stafford only threw the ball 120 more times?  how do you explain stafford's completion % being so much better.

those people saying flacco is a top 10 QB -- the only stat he would have finished in the top 10 in the NFL is ATTEMPTS.  he ranked tied for 8th with 543.  flacco is a QB asked to manage the game, not win the game.  those type of QBs DO NOT get anything close to top tier money -- especially one who only completed 57% of his passes.  if that is a top 5 QB -- Mark Sanchez is a top 5 QB too.  LMAO.

 



Since: Aug 30, 2011
Posted on: February 16, 2012 4:34 pm
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

LOL at title.  Won't even waste time to read this.  Maybe he meant CFL top 5.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 16, 2012 4:26 pm
 

Agent: Flacco is 'in the top five' for QB money

Dude, 1681 of those yds went to Calvin Johnson. Of those, 600yds were jump balls. One good year does not make you a top 5 QB. Rex Gossman would pass for close to 5000 yds with Calvin Johnson as his #1 receiver. Get a grip. Flacco has won more playoff games than Stafford has played in. He would have went to the Super Bowl this year if it weren't for Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff. How did Stafford do in his playoff game? Stafford plays in a pass first offense with a running game that ranks near last in the league as well as poor statistical defense, Flacco plays in the exact opposite. So using yrds/season is not a very good measuring stick.

First of all you can't take yards away from a qb because he had a good receiver to throw to.  You're an Indi fan aren't you?  Let's take Harrison's receptions off Manning's stats all those years and see what happens.  And how many of Peyton's years was Indi a run first offense? Not many man...  As for Flacco winning playoff games, big deal, so did Mark Sanchez and he'll be lucky if he finishes next year as the Jets starting qb.   A pass first offense is tough to run when you have your top THREE running backs hurt for the season and teams don't have to worry about the run. 

Flacco plays in the "Exact opposite", a run first offense which should mean a very good qb rating, not an 80 qb rating like he had this year.  That's AWFUL when the opposing team doesn't know what you're going to do, they can't cheat and stuff the run but you still can't throw?

And finally, it's not Stafford's fault he hasn't played in many playoff games.  He came in as a rookie on an awful team, then he missed 13 games his second season.  The first chance he got he dominated and led the team to 10 wins with a bad D and no running game. 

The Ravens would have done just as well this year with almost any other NFL starting qb as their starter.  Flacco is NOTHING .... absolutely nothing.  The Ravens aren't going to pay him top 5 money, if they do they're as stupid as any organization can be. 


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