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Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

Posted on: February 27, 2012 7:22 pm
Edited on: February 28, 2012 2:10 am
The RG3 sweepstakes gains momentum after the combine. (Getty Images, US PRESSWIRE)

By Ryan Wilson

The NFL Draft is two months off, but this much is certain: some team in desperate need of a franchise quarterback will trade up to the No. 2 spot and take Robert Griffin III, which was confirmed by NFL Insider Pat Kirwan. This is great news for the Rams, who currently own the second pick. While St. Louis has its own franchise quarterback in Sam Bradford, they have plenty of other needs.

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On Friday,'s Mike Freeman wrote about Griffin's future, noting that "League sources maintain at least three teams are strongly considering moving up in a blockbuster deal with the Rams to snag Griffin. Those teams, sources say, include Washington, Miami and Seattle. Team officials also say Cleveland has interest in trading up, though not as much as other teams." 

Freeman added that "It will likely take two No. 1 picks (at least) to make that trade, and the reason is some teams view Griffin as similarly talented as Luck or such a close facsimile in terms of potential that the difference isn't a great one."

RG3 had a nice showing at the combine and in Peter King's "Monday Morning Quarterback" column he writes that "The Rams will drive a hard bargain. Cleveland (fourth overall pick), Washington (sixth) and Miami (eighth) will be in the derby to move up; Seattle (12) and a couple of mystery teams could be, too. Add the fact that the money involved (four years, about $22 million) is likely to be less than the money paid to the top (current) free agent Matt Flynn, and the market for Griffin will be hopping."

That last point can't be emphasized enough. Right or wrong, Flynn's getting paid, just like Kevin Kolb did last year. If teams truly are sold on RG3's potential, then the new CBA means that trading up, by itself, isn't cost prohibitive -- although that could change based on the Rams' asking price. (ESPN's Adam Schefter tweeted Monday night that the Rams could get a deal similar to what the Chargers got for Eli Manning in 2004: two first-rounders, a third-rounder, and a fifth-rounder.)

A possible monkey wrench for teams not located in DC: the Redskins have a history of overpaying for talent, although they've been much better about it in recent years. Still, we liken owner Daniel Snyder's approach to player personnel to that of a prospective homebuyer who waives the home inspection and offers $40,000 over asking. It's a no-holds barred approach that ultimately doesn't work -- in real estate or for the 'Skins.

But the heart wants what the heart wants. And if Snyder is convinced that RG3 is the answer in Washington, we wouldn't be surprised if he had a roster-building relapse. Other potential suitors would be priced out of the bidding, which is great news for the Rams. Still, even if the 'Skins show restraint in the race for RG3, St. Louis should benefit.

"The whole paradigm has changed in several ways,'' Rams COO Kevin Demoff told King Saturday night. "Griffin could be cheaper than Flynn. The fact that you can get a potential franchise quarterback for what the top picks are paid now makes it easier to justify trading a lot for it.''

And fear not, RG3 sweepstakes losers.'s Pete Prisco tweets an important point:

For teams that might rush to trade up to No. 2 to get Griffin, just remember Matt Barkley and other QBs will be in next year's draft.
2/27/12 5:59 PM

The problem, of course, is that there's no guarantee that those quarterback-needy teams in range of RG3 this offseason will have similar opportunities to draft Barkley a year from now. That risk has to be weighed against the cost of getting Griffin now, as well as exploring other options, like trying to sign Flynn.

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Since: Dec 12, 2011
Posted on: March 4, 2012 11:33 pm

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

Headline should read; Peyton able to play, Colts will keep Peyton and will trade #1 spot to rebuild team.

Since: Mar 14, 2008
Posted on: March 2, 2012 3:37 pm

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

Theres a big difference between paying a lot for a free agent as opposed to paying a high salary plus draft compensation to acquire a qb in a trade. With the new rookie wage scale you can afford to give up more picks for a salary that allows more payroll flexibility. Plus a lot of those that would trade will pay more for the hype then a guy that's had two seasons with mixed reviews fair or unfair.

Since: Apr 21, 2011
Posted on: March 1, 2012 2:39 pm

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

heifert: Your logic suggests that no QBs with current, fat contracts will be signed  by any team, including Manning and Flynn.  Why would a team give a declining Superstar or unproven Flynn a contract but decline Bradford, who, though not established as a franchise QB, is certainly more proven than Flynn? Bradford and another team wouldn't be willing to renegotiate Bradford's escape from the bottom feeding Rams? Try again.

Since: May 31, 2007
Posted on: March 1, 2012 2:23 pm

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

If you are the Rams, why not trade Sam Bradford and draft RG3?
Basically, it's because Bradford was drafted before the current CBA.  Which means his contract is massively expensive, and nobody wants to trade for it... not when there's a wage scale (of sorts) for rookies now, so a new guy would be a whole lot cheaper.  Even if you could unload Bradford to draft RGIII, you'd get a fraction of the value for him because the other team would have to consider the expense of taking on the contract.

Meanwhile, the bidding war for that 2nd pick just keeps getting hotter.  So they can keep their good QB (Bradford) and surround him with a ton of help by just waiting for the best offer to come along.  I imagine they'll wait until the last second to let teams keep out-bidding each other.

In the end, I think someone will end up selling the farm for RGIII.  The Rams will get at least 4 picks and a player, or 5 picks... and in either case they will get at least 2 of the picks to be first rounders.  The best bets are on the Redskins or Browns, based on the ammunition they have available and their willingness to trade picks... but you never know who might decide to put together an irresistable offer.  I don't know what *I* would be willing to give up, but you can bet that at least one team out there will throw all their chips in by the time the Rams are on the clock.

Since: Apr 21, 2011
Posted on: March 1, 2012 2:08 pm

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

99'Rams: The Rams are either the worst or near bottom of the heap in handling trades and high draft choices over the last decade, not to mention the notorious Eric Dickerson trade debacle of the previous decade. Until there is proof of rapid, high level improvement by the Rams, Fans are entitled to conclude the Rams "dunno what they're doing". The Rams show no brilliance in realizing the trade value of RGIII as the Media and Fans know the value of the Rams #1 2012 draft choice. No team will take Bradford's contract? If you are right, which I seriously doubt, Bradford's contract is just further proof the Rams don't know what they are doing. We'll see if the "brilliant Rams" handle the situation well. History says a resounding "No!" Jeff Fisher's record over the past 10 years provides marginal indication at this juncture that the Rams will substantially improve on personnel matters, although as a Rams fan I hope Fisher will revert to his original, highly successful form.

Since: Jan 10, 2010
Posted on: March 1, 2012 4:09 am

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

lumpoco....huh??? i tell u what.....ill give u 1-hit wonder flynn and ill take rg3 next year. the rams dunno what they are doing? really? no team is willing to pick up bradfords contract so drafting rg3 is outa the question. the rams needs can be filled outside the top 5 picks so  letting the rest of the teams in the NFL know that they are willing to make a deal is brilliant. teams are now lining up to speak to the rams. its a perfect storm for st. louis and the rams are taking full advantage. i think the rams know full well what they are doing and u just dunno what u are talking about. rg3 will not be in buffalo bc they just gave fitzpatrick a new deal and the rams will not be dealing the pick in the division to the seahawks or cardinals. kc needs rg3 but i dont think they can make a deal. i just dont see cleveland in the position to be giving up so many picks just to move up 2 spots. the money being paid to the 2nd pick and the 4th pick are very similar. i hear the redskins are prepared to swap the fifth pick and give up next years 1st round pick plus 2 other picks. this deal may get the rams attention. but the best fit for rg3 is in miami w/ bush and marshall. miami has the 8th pick and if they can somehow trump the redskins deal, rg3 will be a dolphin. i truely believe that rg3 will be a skin or a phin come draft day. there is always a darkhorse but i think moving down to miami's 8th pick is bout as far down as the rams wanna go.

Since: Jan 2, 2007
Posted on: February 29, 2012 11:09 pm

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

Griffin will be paid alot of money without having taking a snap. Flynn won't and he has played for a few years.
Lumpoco, if you don't think Matt Flynn is going to get paid starter's money you're out of your mind.  Whichever team doesn't land Peyton Manning or Robert Griffin is going to be leading the charge for Flynn because the perception by many teams is that he's been groomed and is ready to start in the NFL.  It doesn't matter if that's what actually works out, it's what is perceived.  Look at the ridiculous cost that the Cardinals paid for Kevin Kolb last offseason.  Kolb got $20 million guaranteed from Arizona and there's an outside chance he gets dropped if the Cards land Manning.  Flynn can all but expect a contract in Kolb's neighborhood in the next month or two.  By the time the NFL Draft rolls around, Flynn will be in a new tax bracket.

As far as Griffin is concerned, he absolutely will come in cheaper than Flynn.  Because of the new CBA signed last summer, the #1 pick in the draft is slotted into a 4-year deal worth roughly $22 million -- no extra signing bonuses or performance clauses allowed.  The dollars allocated for draft picks is fixed and absolute across the NFL.  It is extremely possible that the bonus money Matt Flynn gets upon signing could exceed the entire four-year deal that Andrew Luck is going to get as the #1 overall pick.  Griffin's four-year deal will be a tick lower than Luck's deal if he comes in at #2 as expected.  Also, when you factor in the money "saved" by not signing the players taken with the extra draft picks that are traded away to gain the rights to Griffin, makes Griffin even cheaper.

It's not the Rams that are clueless about the economics of trading vs. signing a franchise quarterback.  That's you, lumpoco.  Jeff Fisher and the Rams totally get the lay of the land and know precisely how the numbers are crunched in the new CBA.

By the way, who in the world is picking the Rams to win the Super Bowl in 2013?  Please tell me that was sarcasm. 

Since: Feb 29, 2012
Posted on: February 29, 2012 4:46 pm

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

If I'm the Rams I tell the skins they can have the pick in exchange for no.1's & 3's this year and next plus either kerrigan or orapako.

Since: Nov 30, 2006
Posted on: February 29, 2012 1:37 pm

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

As a Browns fan I hope we don't touch RG3. The excitement we need is stability. Not changing the QB every year or 2. Build a complete team with a passable QB then worry about your franchise player. Look at Baltimore and Pitt. They both have mediocre QBs but have complete teams and are among the best teams in the league every year. And yes...I'm sorry if I was the one to inform you that Rothlesburger and Flacco are mediocre QBs.

Since: Apr 21, 2011
Posted on: February 29, 2012 1:00 pm

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

lotusmaglite: I'm not dumping on Bradford but rather realistically assessing his opportunity for success with the Rams. Bradford is in a situation with the Rams where over the near term he will be constantly exposed to a high risk of further serious injury, possibly career ending injuries. Bradford can be an effective pocket passer, perhaps not elite, for a team with a dominant OL. The Rams are simply the wrong team for Bradford and vice-versa. Trading Bradford may give him the chance for immediate success that he likely does not have with the Rams. Drafting RGIII can provide an extremely mobile QB to play behind that punk OL until the Rams can build a good OL. It seems to me that drafting RGIII and trading Bradford may be a superior alternative for Bradford, the Rams and the team that obtains Bradford.  I've watched too many multi-pick trades turn into disaster for the team that takes the multiple selections. For the Rams it's a matter of shoot for greatness or trade for becoming "good enough". Frankly, defense-centric Jeff Fisher has a history for going for the middle of the pack.  I don't expect him to change his stripes despite the availability of an incredibly gifted QB.

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