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Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

Posted on: February 27, 2012 7:22 pm
Edited on: February 28, 2012 2:10 am
The RG3 sweepstakes gains momentum after the combine. (Getty Images, US PRESSWIRE)

By Ryan Wilson

The NFL Draft is two months off, but this much is certain: some team in desperate need of a franchise quarterback will trade up to the No. 2 spot and take Robert Griffin III, which was confirmed by NFL Insider Pat Kirwan. This is great news for the Rams, who currently own the second pick. While St. Louis has its own franchise quarterback in Sam Bradford, they have plenty of other needs.

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On Friday,'s Mike Freeman wrote about Griffin's future, noting that "League sources maintain at least three teams are strongly considering moving up in a blockbuster deal with the Rams to snag Griffin. Those teams, sources say, include Washington, Miami and Seattle. Team officials also say Cleveland has interest in trading up, though not as much as other teams." 

Freeman added that "It will likely take two No. 1 picks (at least) to make that trade, and the reason is some teams view Griffin as similarly talented as Luck or such a close facsimile in terms of potential that the difference isn't a great one."

RG3 had a nice showing at the combine and in Peter King's "Monday Morning Quarterback" column he writes that "The Rams will drive a hard bargain. Cleveland (fourth overall pick), Washington (sixth) and Miami (eighth) will be in the derby to move up; Seattle (12) and a couple of mystery teams could be, too. Add the fact that the money involved (four years, about $22 million) is likely to be less than the money paid to the top (current) free agent Matt Flynn, and the market for Griffin will be hopping."

That last point can't be emphasized enough. Right or wrong, Flynn's getting paid, just like Kevin Kolb did last year. If teams truly are sold on RG3's potential, then the new CBA means that trading up, by itself, isn't cost prohibitive -- although that could change based on the Rams' asking price. (ESPN's Adam Schefter tweeted Monday night that the Rams could get a deal similar to what the Chargers got for Eli Manning in 2004: two first-rounders, a third-rounder, and a fifth-rounder.)

A possible monkey wrench for teams not located in DC: the Redskins have a history of overpaying for talent, although they've been much better about it in recent years. Still, we liken owner Daniel Snyder's approach to player personnel to that of a prospective homebuyer who waives the home inspection and offers $40,000 over asking. It's a no-holds barred approach that ultimately doesn't work -- in real estate or for the 'Skins.

But the heart wants what the heart wants. And if Snyder is convinced that RG3 is the answer in Washington, we wouldn't be surprised if he had a roster-building relapse. Other potential suitors would be priced out of the bidding, which is great news for the Rams. Still, even if the 'Skins show restraint in the race for RG3, St. Louis should benefit.

"The whole paradigm has changed in several ways,'' Rams COO Kevin Demoff told King Saturday night. "Griffin could be cheaper than Flynn. The fact that you can get a potential franchise quarterback for what the top picks are paid now makes it easier to justify trading a lot for it.''

And fear not, RG3 sweepstakes losers.'s Pete Prisco tweets an important point:

For teams that might rush to trade up to No. 2 to get Griffin, just remember Matt Barkley and other QBs will be in next year's draft.
2/27/12 5:59 PM

The problem, of course, is that there's no guarantee that those quarterback-needy teams in range of RG3 this offseason will have similar opportunities to draft Barkley a year from now. That risk has to be weighed against the cost of getting Griffin now, as well as exploring other options, like trying to sign Flynn.

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Since: Dec 24, 2011
Posted on: February 28, 2012 7:15 pm

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

The Rams are simply doing the prudent thing in shopping that pick.  To be honest, Indy should be doing the same thing with #1 right now.  Simple supply and demand.  Someone will offer a deal that's too good to be true, and the Rams will take it just as they should.  Lots of can't miss players miss every year, so for all the talk of RG3 (or even Luck for that matter) being franchise quarterbacks, the odds are much better if you can get multiple first rounders and spread the risk between multiple picks.  Maybe RG3 will turn out to be a perennial Pro Bowler, but it is far from a guarantee.  A smart GM will parlay that risk into a handful of players, where a bust or two won't set the team back years in development.

Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2012 7:08 pm

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

On both sides of the coin, the Black Quarterback discussion is one of the most counterproductive, redundant debates around...
...There has to be some middle ground of objectivity between "White Guilt" and being an unapologetic, bigot.
As usual, la2r, you grasp the situation. Though I would argue that it was less a debate and more about some of us mocking a few stupid comments. There is no debate, because Griffin is Griffin, and he'll be the kind of QB he'll be. In 3 years there will be little doubt what kind of QB he is. Until then, it's all speculation.

You bring up a point that has always bothered me about the left, though; this overprotective tendency that winds up defining people by their differences almost as much as would bigots. Even my friends do this sometimes. Two have commented on my avatar in commending tones, as if it's brave of me to have a black QB as my avatar. Moon is my avatar because - IMHO - he was perhaps the greatest QB ever to play the game, and until they moved, the Oilers were my favorite team (may Bud Adams eat Taco Bell and be chained to a toilet for a year). It had nothing to do with the ground he broke, though I admire him for that, too. I admire him less for some of his off-field behavior, which I pointed out to those two, who both just shifted uncomfortably.

Anyway, well said as usual.

Since: Oct 26, 2007
Posted on: February 28, 2012 7:00 pm

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

LOL ... "Can't Miss" ... It appears that suckers continue to be born every minute.

Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2012 6:55 pm

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

I'm not taking a side in this "argument". Just giving people raw numbers.
I didn't mean to imply you were anything else, and you're right not to bother. It's a stupid argument (I am aware of the irony, yes). It's not even an argument, really. More like a couple of idiots with no sense of history or anything that happened even 5 years ago. Peace.

Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: February 28, 2012 6:40 pm

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

On both sides of the coin, the Black Quarterback discussion is one of the most counterproductive, redundant debates around.  It does a disservice to any athlete to even be categorized by his race, instead of his skill set and character.  I guess, maybe it would be one thing, when the player fits overt sterotypes that are perceived by the scouts as positive or negative, but in the case of Griffin, it should be a non-issue.  The kid was a 3.67 student. He's articulate and shows a good amount of humility.  I don't even think about the fact that he's black until it's brought to my attention by 10-15 analysts.

This goes to people on both sides of the argument when it applies to Griffin.  Discounting an individual on the basis of their skin color is silly.  On the other hand, those who treat "Black Quarterbacks" as a class and defend each individual as a member of the class, are simply perpetuating the polarizing debate.   Treat the individual as an individual.  He's Robert Griffin III, the Quarterback, not Robert Griffin III, the Black Quarterback.

It truly doesn't need to be had.  There has to be some middle ground of objectivity between "White Guilt" and being an unapologetic, bigot.

Since: Apr 23, 2007
Posted on: February 28, 2012 5:52 pm

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

I'm not taking a side in this "argument". Just giving people raw numbers. If you want to know the race of winning SB quarterbacks, it's 43 white, 2 Native American, and one black. I don't have the time or resources to count every qb who has played in the Super Bowl era. I agree that black qb's weren't given an opportunity for many years. I also know that in the last ten years, as the stereotype has broken down, one black qb has started a Super Bowl and none have won. Just giving facts, not trying to be argumentative.

Since: Oct 24, 2011
Posted on: February 28, 2012 5:38 pm

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

I'm not convinced RG3 is going to do as well in the pros as say Cam Newton.  Cam Newton faced some of the toughest defenses in the country every Saturday.  RG3 is a class guy, but I wouldn't bet the farm for him.

Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2012 5:13 pm

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

There have been 46 Super Bowls, meaning there have been 92 starts by a quarterback. Of these 92 starts, 87 have been made by white quarterbacks, 3 by black quarterbacks, and 2 by Native Americans. I hope this clears up the confusion caused by the previous two posters, one of whom claimed that a higher % of black qb's than white had started the Super Bowl, and another haphazardly throwing up undocumented numbers to debunk the first poster.
The claim was that a higher % of black QBs win the Super Bowl. That's not the same as saying more black QBs win the Super Bowl than white QBs. If you want to give us stats, I would be happy if you did the legwork on that one:

1. Count the number of black QBs ever to play in the NFL.2. Count the number of black QBs to win the Super Bowl
3. Divide.
4. Repeat for white QBs

You get the idea, I hope.

Look, this idiocy started with an idiotic statement: that to win the Super Bowl, you get a white QB. It was perpetuated because the morons who kept saying it and asking someone to explain why so many white QBs won Super Bowls as opposed to black QBs refused to acknowledge the measured, logical, definitive explanation that was made repeatedly.

After that, it became about mocking them with numbers. In proportion to the total number of players of each respective color, more black QBs made it to the SB than white. This is a statistical fact. It's pretty meaningless in today's game, but it's truth is good for clubbing morons over the head.

Since: Apr 21, 2011
Posted on: February 28, 2012 5:05 pm

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

I agree that Bradford is a good, but not elite, QB. However, Bradford is a standing target playing behind behind a poor OL, a QB who already has a record of serious injuries. . The Rams can take risks on multiple players, whether drafted or trades, and hope all those risks payoff and that Bradford remains free of injury while awaiting a dominant OL (which is indeed a poor risk). Or they can they can draft an incredible talent who can play while the OL is rebuilt. Bradford proved last year that he is very vulnerable without a dominant OL.  As I said earlier, the Rams should draft RGIII if they don't get an overwhelming offer. The risk of relying on RGIII is better than chancing it all on an immobile QB who has a history of serious injuries playing behind a poor OL.

Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2012 5:02 pm

Rams will deal No. 2 overall pick

I am not taking either side in this debate, but Lotus please take a look at the people you listed in your argument. It may hold more weight if you listed players that were on the field in the last decade.
Which would only underscore the point: that the only reason there aren't the same quantity (not percentage - two different things) of black QB Super Bowl winners is because for decades, the NFL had a slight racial problem.

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