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Dungy traces Manning's injury to Williams' D

Posted on: March 2, 2012 8:36 pm
 
In this photo from Oct. 22, 2006, Manning loses his helmet after getting hit in a game against the Redskins(Getty Images)

By Ryan Wilson

Former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams apologized Friday evening for his part in the team's "pay for performance" bounty program that rewarded players for injuring opponents. In fact, one NFL source told CBSSports.com's Mike Freeman that linebacker Jonathan Vilma offered up $10,000 to any teammate who knocked then-Vikings quarterback Brett Favre out of the game.

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Freeman says to expect more leaks in the coming hours and days.

(Apparently, Williams had a similar program when he was with the Redskins; a former player told the Washington Post that compensation ranged from "hundreds to thousands of dollars" with the biggest payout thought to be $8,000.")

One story we should expect to hear more about: Peyton Manning. He missed the 2011 season with a chronic neck injury, and he's probably taken his last snap for the Colts. Back in September, Tony Dungy, Manning's former coach who now serves as an NFL analyst for NBC, traced Manning's neck issues to a 2006 game.

The opponent? The Redskins. And the defensive coordinator? Yep, Gregg Williams.

Sports Illustrated's Peter King wrote about Dungy's remarks in his Week 1 Monday Morning Quarterback column:
Dungy had an excellent observation on our ... NFL special on NBC. He said Manning's neck history dates to Oct. 22, 2006, when his neck got wrenched and his helmet ripped off on a hit by two Washington defenders. We showed the highlight on our Saturday show, and Manning, after being hit and crumbling to the ground awkwardly, lay there for a second, and when he rose, he stretched his neck and shook his right arm for a second, as if trying to get the feeling back in it.

"Earlier in the game,'' Dungy told me, "I'm outraged that there was a flag for roughing-the-passer on Dwight Freeney for just grazing the quarterback's helmet. So I'm yelling at the ref [Scott Green], 'Where's the flag! Where's the flag!' And I don't yell much, but I did then. So I didn't notice Peyton calling timeout and being shaken up. Peyton came to the sideline and said to [backup] Jim Sorgi, 'Jim, start warming up.' As the timeout went on, he said to us, 'I can stay in, but we need to run the ball here.' ''
Former Colts president Bill Polian told King that Manning was fine at the end of the 2010 season and had "no recurrence of the neck problems that caused his first surgery after the 2009 season."

In January 2010, a week before the Saints faced the Colts in the Super Bowl, Williams (by then New Orleans' defensive coordinator) was asked about some controversial hits on Brett Favre in the NFC Championship Game.

“Here’s the deal," he said. "When you put too much of that type of worry on a warrior’s mind, he doesn’t play all out. If it happens, it happens. And the only thing you’d like for me to say is that if it happens you hope he doesn’t get back up and play again.”

Williams may have been sincere when he apologized Friday, but the remarks above makes them seem less geniune. More than that, you might think that the only reason Williams is sorry is because he got caught.

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Since: Jan 22, 2010
Posted on: March 13, 2012 10:47 pm
 

Dungy traces Manning's injury to Williams' D

Prison terms for these clowns just might be possible.  In some States its obviously a crime to put a "hit" out on somebody.  Along with "gambling", I see no reason not to arrest any of them once they step foot in the "right" State.



Since: Feb 7, 2007
Posted on: March 6, 2012 7:17 pm
 

Dungy traces Manning's injury to Williams' D

More than that, you might think that the only reason Williams is sorry is because he got caught.

Really? He's been doing it for years, and beyond obviously being against the rules, offering a reward for intentionally jeopardizing the career of a colleague is morally wrong.


You bet your arse the only feelings of regret he's having are for not having been more covert. You wouldn't see me shed a tear if he got a year suspension for pulling this kind of crap.


rangerswin12
Since: Mar 1, 2012
Posted on: March 5, 2012 5:19 pm
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Since: Jul 2, 2009
Posted on: March 5, 2012 3:12 pm
 

Dungy traces Manning's injury to Williams' D

I would rather Live in N.O than to live in the backwoods of Minny like you do.
Im sure you would Junior. 

Well one thing N.O has is a Super Bowl trophy some thing that Mimmy will never have
Im sure it'll happen eventually.  I mean, The Saints were never even close until they were put there by the league. 


Hey idiot you keep on bringing up Katrina.

Maybe if FEMA mishandles the floods or 40 foot of snow a year in MN...ooooh wait...thats right I forgot.....nobody cares that a "tragedy" happens in MN every year. 



Since: Dec 17, 2011
Posted on: March 5, 2012 11:48 am
 

Dungy traces Manning's injury to Williams' D

hypocrisy. roger goodell says he wants to cancel the pro bowl because the guys stand around and don't play defense? then everyone is "astounded" that guys are trying to legally knock the crap out of targeted players. this happens in every football locker room from high school on up. you can't have it both ways goodell you sissy doll.

what is the NFL going to look like in a couple years? you can't hit the QB, can't tackle a WR. they might as well play flag football, the league is going to hell in a handbasket. what's next? allowing women to play?

"Spoken like a true Internet Tough Guy. You wouldn't last a single play in the NFL let alone a full season with a bounty on your head. I'm sure I personally know about 10-12 women that would last longer than you, Mr. Internet Tough Guy." 

Wait a minute....You mean women don't play in the NFL?


rangerswin12
Since: Mar 1, 2012
Posted on: March 5, 2012 10:52 am
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Since: Sep 26, 2008
Posted on: March 5, 2012 10:45 am
 

Dungy traces Manning's injury to Williams' D

Hey idiot you keep on bringing up Katrina.Well one thing N.O has is a Super Bowl trophy some thing that Mimmy will never have.You are just a jealous little jerk,I would rather Live in N.O than to live in the backwoods of Minny like you do.



THIS guy is a DOUCHEBAG!!


rangerswin12
Since: Mar 1, 2012
Posted on: March 5, 2012 10:27 am
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Since: Jul 2, 2009
Posted on: March 5, 2012 8:35 am
 

Dungy traces Manning's injury to Williams' D

that linebacker offered up $10,000 to any teammate who knocked then-Vikings quarterback Brett Favre out of the game.

Im just glad that they repeatidly did not call it, but managed to see that phantom PI late in the game to ensure the Saints "win". 

God bless the poor poor victims of hurricane katrina. 

They deserved it. 



Since: Sep 26, 2010
Posted on: March 5, 2012 1:27 am
 

Dungy traces Manning's injury to Williams' D

I'm fairly sure that owing to Peyton Manning's status in the game, every defender who ever got a shot at a sack tried to put him out of the game - perhaps not with the "lets injure him" thought at the front of his mind, rather a "lets slow him down so we have a chance" thought.  Its a contact sport.  It has gotten faster, harder and more injurious as time has passed.  In 20 years we won't think of Manning's neck - it will be all the neurological conditions dozens of former players will have.

Tony Dungy may be right, but I do not think the sort of injury Manning has comes down to a single tackle.  It would simply be the straw that broke the camel's back.  Healthy tissue does not just break.  I think the research on cervical disc degeneration shows that it is usually multifactorial and cumulative.  But it can eventually fall apart. I am a physiotherapist and I treat neck pain 5 days a week and read a lot of research on spinal pain.

Anyone who trades for Manning would be out of their mind.  Get through a full season and then sure, roll the dice.  If I were Peyton, I'd retire.


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