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Everyone wants Joe Johnson all of a sudden

Posted on: June 28, 2010 3:05 pm
Edited on: June 28, 2010 6:02 pm
Look, I'm not sayin'. I'm just sayin'.

You're going to be hard pressed to find a bigger Joe Johnson advocate in ye old Blogosphere than the author of this post right here. An Arkansas native (Johnson grew up in Little Rock, went to school at U of A), and someone that dug the SSOL-era Suns (who didn't outside of San Antonio), I have followed the explosive wing's career in Atlanta with great interest. That little crossover business with Boston? That's some pretty stuff, right there.

But is he worth all the attention he's suddenly receiving?

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports is reporting that the Mavs intend to pursue a sign-and-trade to acquire the services of the soon-to-be 29 year-old shooting guard. This coming on the heels of reports that he's on the fast train to New York, and of course, that Chicago is on the target list as well.

The Mavericks have been banking on a sign-and-trade option for free agency for a long time (and Mark Cuban's already invested money to that effect in the form of a fine for talking about it ). They have a talented roster and are willing to absorb more salary, as they've consistently been at the top of the luxury tax for nearly the past decade. A combination of Caron Butler and pieces might be enough to entice the Hawks into going for the deal. For Johnson, it would mean getting the extra year's worth of money that comes with signing with his former club, plus not having to be "the man" for the team, playing in tandem with Dirk Nowitzki. It would also move him closer to his hometown of Little Rock, Arkansas.

But is Johnson worth the kind of money that would be coming to him in a max-contract sign and trade? There's been a lot of speculation about Johnson being willing to take less than a max deal, but those rumors were tied with him being headed to New York. Regardless, his deal will still be an albatross, and will remain so throughout the length of his contract. By the time it ends, Johnson could be a 35 year old shooting guard with faded elevation. His jump shot isn't pure like Ray Allen, and there's been a noticeable plateau in his efficiency as he approaches the apex of his career.

With that being said, there's something to be said in that article linked above from Hawks blog Hoopinion on how his game could adjust in the right circumstances:

"...he could become more efficient in a lower-usage role but likely at the cost of some the volume of points he's scored and assists he's earned over the last five seasons."

That's precisely the type of role he'd fit in with the Mavs. Jason Kidd as the creator, Dirk Nowitzki (assuming the highly probable re-signing) as the lynch pin, and Johnson as the perimeter finisher. It would put the Mavs offense immediately in the top of the league offensively... hypothetically. Then again, the deal for Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood was supposed to put them in similar context, and instead resulted in a swift first round ejection.

There's one thing we can tell from this report. Mark Cuban, yet again, will not be sitting around twiddling his thumbs during the most important offseason in NBA history.

-Matt Moore


Since: May 26, 2009
Posted on: June 28, 2010 11:47 pm

Everyone wants Joe Johnson all of a sudden

I don't know. I'm trying to think of this from a pro-Hawks standpoint, and the part I hate most about Johnson for Butler/Haywood is that Atlanta will be worse off in the end. Butler is 30 years old. He can't play Johnson's position, and so Atlanta will have to start either Williams or Crawford at the 2. And even though the consensus on this thread has been to dog Johnson as "less than a max money free agent", which is true, it is also worth noting that he established himself as a clutch player for the Hawks. Again, that 65-17 two-year regular season home record is a reflection of his ability to step up in the 4th quarter.

Of course the ideal situation for Atlanta would be for Johnson to change his mind and remain in Atlanta. If Dallas comes calling with max money then he'll be gone for sure... max money and a better chance at reaching the Finals seems like a no-brainer. You're a Mavs fan so obviously the deal is great for you. Of course, Dallas will still get beat by the Lakers despite having Kidd, Johnson, Nowitzki, and Marion in the starting lineup. So at least I'll get to laugh at Joe and all you Mavs fans who thought that an elusive title was finally within reach.

Since: Mar 9, 2010
Posted on: June 28, 2010 11:18 pm

Everyone wants Joe Johnson all of a sudden

Coming from a Hawks fan I say good riddance!! Joe think he's Batman, but he will always be Robin!!

Since: Oct 13, 2006
Posted on: June 28, 2010 11:11 pm

Everyone wants Joe Johnson all of a sudden

And even then the Hawks could look for different trade partners offering more attractive options... maybe New Orleans or the Clippers
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!  Like New Orleans is going to take on any more salary... they will be lucky to still EXIST in a decade!  And what would the LA Clippers offer that would be "more attractive" than Butler and Haywood?  Remember, the salaries have to work in a trade so you couldn't say Kaman and Davis because the money wouldn't work.

Since: Apr 9, 2010
Posted on: June 28, 2010 10:28 pm

Everyone wants Joe Johnson all of a sudden

The story is right on.

Joe Johnson is not in the same class as LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Amar'e Stoudemire, and Dirk Nowitzki. Those are your franchise players worth max deals. I would put Bosh ahead of the other two big men, but I digress.

Joe Johnson is a jump shooter. He got his name in a high-scoring Phoneix offense and has since been the primary scorer in Atlanta where he averaged 21ppg this past season. 21 is pretty good, but not superstar good. I put him in the same class as Carlos Boozer in terms of talent. I think he would be a good number two or three option and because thats what he is, he does not deserve a max deal. I heard reports that New York may offer him a max deal so it sounds like he will go there. If it was titles he was looking for, he would be smart to take a small pay cut and team up with LeBron or Wade and whoever else their respective teams sign.

Since: Dec 30, 2007
Posted on: June 28, 2010 10:02 pm

Everyone wants Joe Johnson all of a sudden

No no he was a great great shooter................but the above article talks about how Ray Allen's shot obviously is different. Houston toward the end of his career lost that lift in his legs and he was a waste of money.

Since: Mar 5, 2007
Posted on: June 28, 2010 9:53 pm


Joe Johnson is one of the most overrated people in the NBA.  Get real.

Since: Dec 13, 2007
Posted on: June 28, 2010 8:25 pm

Everyone wants Joe Johnson all of a sudden

Not so fast overboard, as a Hawks fan I would looove to aquire Butler and Hayward for a guy we are going to lose anyway.Us Hawks fans agree that Joe isnt worth max money and will decline in 2 or 3 years so why not get something for nothing? we get Butler for one year and then he comes off the books.with Joe back we might be a second round team again,with Butler and Hayward we still might be a second round team but only without the bad contract of Joe.I dont care what you say,we dont lose a lot if that trade goes through.

Since: Sep 1, 2009
Posted on: June 28, 2010 7:55 pm

Everyone wants Joe Johnson all of a sudden

My question is can JJ play SF? I thought thats what he originally was but i guess not with the Hawks. He is like 6'7 so would he be able to play the 3? I am asking this because I would love him in a Clippers jersey next year but Eric Gordon is our shooting guard and he can fill it up on any night. I see JJ as a point/forward. Kinda like Lebron does in Cleveland. Would that work?

Since: Aug 28, 2006
Posted on: June 28, 2010 7:38 pm

Everyone wants Joe Johnson all of a sudden

Jet Set wrote:

 In fact LEBRON and WADE, DIRK, and AMARE are the only max guys out there...

Here is just the playoff stats for "STAT"

2010 Playoffs Statistics. PPG: 22.2; RPG: 6.60

MAX player, lol...they did a breakdown on espn? and they broke down how many games he has played and how many he has missed, it was 500something to 100something, knee and eye injuries, and you still think he is worth the max, the Suns don't...

Since: Mar 26, 2009
Posted on: June 28, 2010 7:19 pm

Everyone wants Joe Johnson all of a sudden

What about BOSH?
I'd rather have chris bosh on my team than Amare, Bosh rebounds at a much higher level, and is a better jump shooter on offense

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