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5 years guaranteed and Stoudemire would've stayed

Posted on: July 17, 2010 6:05 pm
Edited on: July 17, 2010 6:06 pm
Posted by Royce Young

Even though he was jostled around two straight years at the trade deadline, in the end, Amare Stoudemire wanted to stay in Phoenix.

In an interview with Chris Tomasson of FanHouse , Stoudemire said had Phoenix offered up a fully guaranteed max long-term deal, he wouldn't have left for New York.

"Definitely. If they had done that, I would have stayed,'' Stoudemire said in an interview Saturday with FanHouse at the NBA Summer League. "They only gave me three years guaranteed."

According to Tomasson's story, the Suns wanted to guarantee Stoudemire's final two seasons only if he reached certain incentives regarding minutes played. But Stoudemire didn't want to have to think about not getting the offer he wanted from the Suns. Who could blame him? Stoudemire is a guy that's battled some serious injuries including a major knee issue and two eyes pokes that resulted in a large number of games missed.

So on one hand, the Suns had reason for concern. And on the other, Stoudemire had a fully guaranteed deal from New York and as a guy that's had some bad luck with injuries, it was obviously smarter to go the Knick route. At least in terms of guaranteed money, that is.

Now whether or not Stoudemire actually deserved that max deal in the first place is a whole other story.


Since: Dec 15, 2008
Posted on: July 19, 2010 9:57 am

5 years guaranteed and Stoudemire would've stayed

Let's be honest, all of the smart free agents left the Western conference.  As long as Kobe and the Lake Show are up and running, there are no rings for anyone in the West.  In order to shine, you have to go to the weak Eastern conference. Carmelo and Chris Paul will go east as well, why wouldn't they?  Who wants to keep losing to Kobe every year without ever making the finals.?  None of the marquee free agents went west.  Dirk stayed and I give him credit for being a true fighter, but as long a Kobe is playing, there will be not rings for anyone in the west but the Lakers.  Oh yeah, and no rings for anyone in the East either.  If Amare isn't going to get a ring, the nest best thing is to get paid.  I'm not mad at him.

Since: Sep 18, 2006
Posted on: July 19, 2010 9:47 am

5 years guaranteed and Stoudemire would've stayed

Greedy or Smart? Injuries happen so why risk millions to "prove" anything? If it were you, you would have done exactly the same, unless you are a total idiot.

Since: Jul 18, 2010
Posted on: July 18, 2010 11:16 pm

5 years guaranteed and Stoudemire would've stayed

"The Knicks are back " Amare:  the most embarrassing quote of the free agency. Lets be honest the Suns offered Amare a contract that they knew he wouldn't accept. Rightfully so he's : lazy on defense ( just getting owned by Gasol in WCF), no rebounding, low basketball IQ, injury prone,  no low post game and most importantly NO HEART!!!! The past few years been reliant on the best passing PG in league scoring a majority of his points off a articulated pic and roll.  He's just not a max contract worthy player which the Knicks are notorious for offering baskethead case big man these huge contracts ( A Stoudemire, Ed Curry, J Jefferies, Jerome James) and then surronding them with veteran scoring first PG's : Marbury, Steve Francis leading to chaos on the court. To top it off the Knicks currently dont even have a true PG on the roster.

I like the suns pick up of Turkgolou and Childress but i feel like they just added two small forwards to a team already deep in that position with G Hill, J Dudley. Adding one of these guys was great but should of went with a true PF for the other which was right in front of them on the Knicks David Lee or even Al Harrington. I think the Suns are one true big man short of a championship contending team.

Since: Dec 3, 2008
Posted on: July 18, 2010 11:09 pm

5 years guaranteed and Stoudemire would've stayed

You are an idiot.  Why should he have to make the sacrifice?  Why can't the team make the sacrifice?  It's a business, stop looking at it through the lenses of a child and you will gain a broader perspective.  What has the Suns done to deserve his loyalty?  They have tried to trade him for the past two years.  Stop looking at the money he makes and look at it objectively and you might see that this is simply business as usual.  I would like for you to take less money at your job or have your salary be determined by something out of your control and see how you would like it.  "Instead he jumps ship because he knows he will be hurt....," that's the dumbest thing I have read in a while. 

Since: Jan 20, 2007
Posted on: July 18, 2010 7:45 pm

5 years guaranteed and Stoudemire would've stayed

 he WILL get injured again or simply deteriorate to something even less than "The Great Disappearing Amare"  in the 2010 playoffs.
Wow. Simply WOW. Amar'e Stoudemire was the reason we were the 3 seed, was one of the biggest reasons we went to the WCF, and almost got the Suns to the Finals. The Suns management dropped the ball BIG TIME on this one. First Joe Johnson, now Amar'e. Letting all-stars walk for nothing. As a Suns fan this move made no sense to not make. As others have said, Amar'e has come back from the injury to be an All-NBA player. He shouldn't have to prove anything to the Suns. If they don't think he can hold up then do what you did and let him go, but after almost ten years in the league, when he has been a consistent all-star and impact player, I'll be damned If I have to meet conditions to make my money.

Here's to wishing Amar'e the best of luck in NY, hoping he can get a few premier players to eventually go there and contend for titles in the East. Meanwhile, we can sink further back into the middle of the pack AGAIN because our owner is unwilling to open the checkbook.

Since: Jul 23, 2007
Posted on: July 18, 2010 6:58 pm

5 years guaranteed and Stoudemire would've stayed

I don't know what the problem is: both sides made a decision that was strictly business.  Amare took the "sure thing" instead of the "maybe".  Considering $40 mil was at stake I don't know of any people, let alone businesses, that wouldn't make the same decision.  The Suns made the offer knowing that they would likely get outbid, considering Miami, New York, New Jersey, Chicago, and the Clippers all were looking for a big splash and there were only 4 top-notch big men on the market (Bosh, Amare, Boozer & Lee).  They made a decision to only keep Amare if they could manage the potential financial risks.  That's not saying they were cheap: any business that doesn't include risk in their decision-making is one that is headed for trouble (ie: our banking industry a couple of years ago).  They obviously had a "plan B" and are now executing it.  The fans may not like to hear it, but once again it's just business folks.

Since: Aug 31, 2006
Posted on: July 18, 2010 4:54 pm

Amar'e in New York

As a native New Yorker, I can assure you that New York makes players playing there do one of two things:  1)  raise their level of play,  2) wilt and die in the spotlight. 

New Yorkers don't care why he came, they only care that he performs.  You think he's the only player in NY sports history that had money is a key factor in why they came?  Wake up.  Money always plays a role in coming to play in New York.....but come at your own risk:  See Charles Smith.  Amar'e does not strike me as the type that is afraid of the global fishbowl that is New York.  He only played defense in Phoenix when he wanted to?  That won't happen in New York.  Why?  Because there are 6 local newspapers with scores of columnists that will flame him up on the back page cover if he doesn't. How many newspapers does Phoenix have?

Stoudemire accepted a HUGE challenge by going to the Knicks, and not just because of their roster (and let me point out that I mean BEFORE the Knicks' sign and trade deal, the addition of Raymond Felton and the 7'1" Russian Center).  That challenge is playing in front of New Yorkers and the media, something that he didn't have motivating him in Phoenix.  If you think that Amar'e Stoudemire is going to do anything half-azzed in New York, I believe you're mistaken.

We'll just have to see how he performs over the next several years.  I see many, many people were hoping that LeBron didn't go to NY and that Carmelo and Chris Paul don't go either.  Those folks are called NY Haters. &n
bsp;  I get that many of you don't like our arrogance and get tired of hearing that New York is the greatest city in the world (It may or may not be, but one thing is for sure:  it's 100 times the city that Phoenix is).  I'm not in the business of predicting anything, including how much winning or losing the Knicks do over the next several years.    I will say this though:  Amar'e Stoudemire is highly motivated to prove whether or not he can get it done on the biggest stage in the country - more motivated than if he had stayed in Phoenix (go back and look at Shaq's motivation level once he went to Miami - he actually got in shape).    

Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: July 18, 2010 4:48 pm

5 years guaranteed and Stoudemire would've stayed

Amare Stoudemire moves to a city and state with the one of the highest state income tax rates in the entire United States as opposed to a relatively low 6% Arizona state income tax. All he had to do wa average 28 minutes a frickin game duerinf the next 3 years and those 4th and 5th years becomae fully guaranteed. Now if you're an owner (and thank God some of you never can be!!) do you guarantee squart to anyone that can't agree to playing a little more than half of an NBA game? Hell no. 

How many of you would like to debate the fact the guy IS injury prone? Amare Stoudemire took out a full page in the Arizona Republic Sports page last week thanking the fans for their support and that was a classy thing to do. Yet all he had to do was play in a little over half the minutes of the next 4 seasons of NBA games and those 4th and 5th yesars became fully guaranteed. Make no mistake Amare left because he knows the same thing every other Phoenix Suns fan knows... he'll never make it to the last year of that contract because he WILL get injured again or simply deteriorate to something even less than "The Great Disappearing Amare"   in the 2010 playoffs.   

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First of all, I don't care what state you play in.  100 million dollars gross will ALWAYS be A LOT more money then 60 million gross.

Second of all,  your injury prone thing is garbage.  Amare Stoudemire has played almost 300 games in the NBA in the last 4 years since he missed an entire season.  He's played exactly 296 out of 328 games in the last 4 years, or in 90 percent of his teams games and 29 of his 32 missed games in the last 4 years were 2 seasons ago...  he played a complete season this year, didn't even miss one game.  So, is that injury prone?  No... but whatever makes you sleep better works for me.

He averaged 35 minutes per game last season.  He averaged 37 minutes per game the year before that.  He averaged 34 minutes per game the year before that and 33 minutes per game the year before that.

Let me dummy this down for you.  In the last 4 years Amare has played in 90 percent of his teams games and averaged 35 minutes per game.  But you think he has to continue to prove that to you AGAIN this year AND next year AND the year after that to get the final 2 years guranteed??  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA .... FUNNY !!!!! 

As for the great disappearing Amare comment.. whatever dude.  In the playoffs he averaged something like 22 points, 7 rebounds and 1.5 blocks per game.  He shot well over 50 percent from the field and 75 percent from the ft line.   Some choke job....

Since: Jul 3, 2007
Posted on: July 18, 2010 4:12 pm

5 years guaranteed and Stoudemire would've stayed

As a Suns Fan,  Amare was fun to watch at times,  but lets face it,  Amare was definitely at his best when he wanted to increase his value in the market.  With a 5 year contract now,  its very possible you will see an Amare not as motivated as last year and don't expect alot of defense out of him which will fit perfectly in New York.  Phoenix will miss a go to guy inside but I think they might be better because of the overall depth they've added.  The performance and health of Lopez will be crucial  

Since: Jan 7, 2007
Posted on: July 18, 2010 2:44 pm

5 years guaranteed and Stoudemire would've stayed

You are right.  But I think he was expecting lebron to be there.  And out of no where he is the lone free agent to be there and realizes how bad of a team he is going to be on.  I'm sure the Dolans promised him Lebron and if they didn't get him there was going to be a nice plan b with Paul and Carmelo, but I have to agree with you I don't  think that is going to happen either.  And he realizes that now.   Nice "hoodwink" Dolans.  I hope he does good for the knicks, but I don't see him as good as he was with the core of players he had in Phoenix.  Good luck Amare.

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