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Shootaround 8.9.10: Heat to pass 72?

Posted on: August 9, 2010 8:42 am
 
Posted by Royce Young
  • Jeff Van Gundy says the Heat will be historically great : "They will break the single-season win record [of 72],'' Van Gundy told the Miami Herald. "And I think they have a legit shot at the Lakers' 33-game [winning] streak [in 1971-72], as well. And only the Lakers have even a remote shot at beating them in a playoff series ... They will never lose two games in a row this year. They have put together a much better roster than anybody could ever have expected. There is now no good way to defend them. They are unguardable. They are indefensible. They are just too good and have added so much shooting and are so versatile that they will score at will. And with  Erik Spoelstra coaching, they will be in the top three defensive teams in the league, as well. The other 29 teams better hope the lockout gets moved up a year.''
  • Where do the two O'Neal's fit together in Boston? Chris Forsberg of ESPNBoston weighs in: "However, I actually see potential in an O'Neal-O'Neal frontcourt. Celtics GM Danny Ainge noted that he was eager to utilize Jermaine O'Neal at the 4 this season, and high-mileage legs aside, I don't see why it can't work against another team's second unit. It's not like they're going to spend 20 minutes together on the court per game, so if you need to lean on that pairing for a sequence or two each game, I don't see a problem."
  • David Aldridge of NBA.com also reports the Pistons are actively discussing McGrady but aren't close to a decision either way. Aldridge also says the Pistons are expected to try and move Prince before the start of the season, thus making room for McGrady.
  • Multiple people have mentioned this, but it's a good question: How does the Knicks consulting job work for Isiah Thomas? With his relationship to the Knicks, wouldn't him coaching at Florida International mean he's having improper contact with underclassmen?
  • Frank Isola of the NY Daily News says Donnie Walsh should walk away : "Walsh is too respected by his peers to take orders from Dolan via Thomas. We know Walsh has no use for Thomas and therefore can't work with him or more precisely work for him. Full autonomy? Please. Thomas is calling the shots now. There is too much distrust and bad blood already for this to be anything less than a terrible marriage. The fact that Dolan can't see that Walsh has done a solid job tells you all you need to know. This is the same guy who blames the media coverage for nine straight losing seasons. So quit, Donnie. Resign. Walk away. You've already said you'll stick it out because you're a class act. But you deserve better."
  • Joakim Noah and the Bulls are talking extension : "Of course that's the goal," he told ESPNChicago.com after a charity event for his Noah's Arc Foundation in Queens on Friday night. "I'm not really worried about it. I think everything's going to happen with time and at the end of the day, I'm really excited about the upcoming season."
  • Robert Parish loves Boston's move for Shaq: “Shaq can still start for at least 15 teams, maybe 20 teams,’’ Parish told the Boston Globe. “I would say that time has caught up with him but he can still be a factor and not to mention defensively. He’s long and has a lot of mass and is going to take up a lot of room and that definitely is where the Celtics’ strong suit is, defensively. I think that’s where he gets it done. I think Shaq will definitely bring a defensive presence along with Garnett. He’s going to cause a lot of havoc defensively and he still can get it done offensively.’’
Comments

Since: Feb 15, 2008
Posted on: August 11, 2010 1:38 pm
 

Shootaround 8.9.10: Heat to pass 72?

See that's it bumper... You really have nothing to contribute other than what somebody else says.Ha. bumper. How funny. It's still just as funny in this post as it was in your other posts. Calling someone by their incorrect screen name is not only clever and funny, but it's a clear sign of high intelligence as well.

 I'm still not getting any of your points. I think my last post touched on the fact that I didn't completely agree with Van Gundy's comments, so there goes half of your post out the window. I'm merely pointing out that as little qualifications that you and everyone else thinks the man has, they are still more than the complete lack of qualifications than all of his tearer's down. The guy has a high assessment of the Miami Heat, and all of a sudden the guy is an "idiot" who can't coach or commentate. My opinion of Van Gundy is the guy knows more than me and I hope he's right. I've seen other analysts give negative assessments of the Heat and my opinion for them is that they know more than me and I hope they're wrong. You really seem to be everything you claim not to be. So how about it. Offer everyone on here your analysis on how you would defend the the Heat with the big three on the floor together. Go ahead we're all waiting. Hit us with it. If you did that I may agree or disagree with your assessment, but I would however respect it. But you seem to be too busy telling everyone else to come up with some NBA analysis while failing to offer anything substantial yourself. So what it is you would do? Play man? Zone? Would you double someone and if so then who?     
Who knows....maybe down the road we'll be buddies.



Since: Apr 27, 2008
Posted on: August 11, 2010 9:18 am
 

Shootaround 8.9.10: Heat to pass 72?

Have fun pretending you know more than people who actually know what it is to draw up defenses to try and stop NBA offenses. He's done it, and you only talk about it. I guess if Blueblood1957 says it, then it must true.


Now there's an intelligent retort ^^^^. Laughing

See that's it bumper... You really have nothing to contribute other than what somebody else says.

For gawd's sake, think for yourself man. This country has far too many followers (two OR more now reside in South Beach). Put some thoughts of your own down, if you have any regarding the NBA, and show us what knowledge you possess. It's okay to disagree with the man, even if he helps you feel better.

Now if you find any rage in my comments... Please point them out. GRRRRRRRR!!! But here's a clue... Simply disagreeing with your popular opinion, doesn't qualify as rage. It only means I don't agree with you.

Kinda sounds to me like you're the guy with his panties in a twist.Laughing

Okay... NBA level intelligent rebuttal? Got one? Or is your retort again going to consist of writing... "Hey, listen to blueblood1957, he really knows what he's talking about"? <<<<< Sarcasm.

17 come 11.

Peace



Since: Apr 27, 2008
Posted on: August 11, 2010 9:00 am
 

Shootaround 8.9.10: Heat to pass 72?

Ok now thats ridiculous. They have more prime talent then any team in the east by a ton. It really is not even close. Only an idiot would argue that at worse LBJ (2 time mvp) and DWade (Finals MVP) are the second and third best players in the league. Bosh is firmly in the top 20 players in the league. This team will dominate easily and while JVG might be a bit over zealous in his predictions he is most likely not that far off

Yogi... You're a Heat fan, what else would you think? You're biased, and clearly not following the NBA all that long (no, 10-20 years doesn't deem you a long time follower). Tossing three supremely talented players onto a team (this has been done before, with a much better bench than the Heat will supply, without 72 wins being attained), then surrouding them with a bunch of second tier players doesn't necessarily equal 72 wins. This is no easy accomplishment for even the most talented of teams. So while you may call discussion ridiculous when it runs contrary to a (your) popular Heat opinion, or the ramblings of a guy who's never done anything in the NBA, pardon us for disagreeing with an outlandish lead-pipe cinch statement.

Yes, the Heat will be very good. Yes, they do play in the NBA LEastern Conference. Yes, they will win a ton of games. 

But also:

Yes, they have a very suspect bench, and for the most part a bench that lies way too far on either end of the age spectrum. Yes, they start a 35-year-old center, with no appreciable backup (please tell me... who you think will fill that void, and this is a HUGE problem, adequately for a center who plays 20 minutes a game?). Yes, they are Big Man challenged (that will bite them in games against teams with Big talent). Yes, they will be depending on a few rooks for significant contributions (a Heat fan was recently totally dissing rookies, when he suddenly realized what would be on the Heat pine)... Especially when it comes to backup center. Yes, Chris Bosh is a great offensive talent, but highly questionable defensively, and yes, he gets pushed around. His physical abilities (defensively) will not magically morph. By the way... Players are required to play both defensive and offensive assignments. At least in the NBA.

Let's see what happens when this "physicality challenged" team gets bumped around for 48 minutes by very physical teams... Not to mention when it happens in a four day stretch of three games... Before we hand them 72, a ring, and a banner.

But you guys keep throwing out those lofty proclamations for NBA greatness, not yet attained. A few teams out west, and one or two in the east are paying particular notice.

Keep yakking. Let us anoint a King... AGAIN... Oops, sorry, that didn't work first time did it? W-I-T-N-E-S-S!! Laughing

17 come 11.

Peace  



Since: Feb 15, 2008
Posted on: August 10, 2010 3:11 pm
 

Shootaround 8.9.10: Heat to pass 72?

Your one salient point... Might actually have merit, if the guy had done something. Sorry, but taking a team to the Finals doesn't warrant bowing down to his totally off-the-wall comments And what warrants yours and everyone else's off-the-wall-comments? You've made a bunch of comments on cbssports.com so now you know what you're talking about? I'll be the first to admit that I don't see everything he said coming to fruition here in year one.....but I do find it to be conceivable by year two maybe three. It's hilarious that everyone is so full of rage and jealously that anyone who says anything positive about the Heat becomes a target of everyone's hatred. It really is a joke....and you too are a joke. Have fun pretending you know more than people who actually know what it is to draw up defenses to try and stop NBA offenses. He's done it, and you only talk about it. I guess if Blueblood1957 says it, then it must true.



Since: Aug 30, 2006
Posted on: August 10, 2010 2:25 pm
 

Shootaround 8.9.10: Heat to pass 72?

Ok now thats ridiculous. They have more prime talent then any team in the east by a ton. It really is not even close. Only an idiot would argue that at worse LBJ (2 time mvp) and DWade (Finals MVP) are the second and third best players in the league. Bosh is firmly in the top 20 players in the league. This team will dominate easily and while JVG might be a bit over zealous in his predictions he is most likely not that far off.



Since: Apr 27, 2008
Posted on: August 10, 2010 8:52 am
 

Shootaround 8.9.10: Heat to pass 72?

Let's see. A guy who took an 8th seed to the NBA Finals and definitely knows a thing or two about the NBA game? Or a bunch of bitter guys sitting at their computers with their beer bellies who think they know a thing or two about the NBA game? Man that's tough. We don't know who to believe.

Now this is the type of comment that deserves... Well... Me not even wasting my time.

But here goes:

Rather than reply to intelligent observations about a media-hogging guy like Jeff Van Gundy (wonder if somebody else we know learned this trait from SVG? Mime, mime, mime!!), bumper decides to discount every comment written counter to his own thoughts, by simply calling names and slamming innuendo, and responding with very little quantifiable info. I'll only say the same thing I often say... If you have something pertinent, write it. Otherwise, please don't waste our time.

Your one salient point... Might actually have merit, if the guy had done something. Sorry, but taking a team to the Finals doesn't warrant bowing down to his totally off-the-wall comments (wonder if he'll be around when things don't pan out as he predicts?). Not with the talent he had on that team, and the abdication of Michael Jordan. But nice try. Roughly 60 times coaches have taken teams to the Finals and lost. That doesn't equate to leaning on every word such guys say (when it fits your wants and needs of the moment), and proclaiming it gospel.

But oh, you talk about he shortened season when teams played about 50 games. If you're truly a sports fan, you know all bets are off (this is a totally invalid point) in such situations. Wacky things happen, and unusual events occur. However, when all was said and done, the ship was righted, and Van Gundy accomplished nothing. Only matched by Snake Riley's glaring inability to get the most talented Eastern Conference team over the hump when handed the EC on a silver platter by MJ's first retirement. But nice try there bumper.

It's a beautiful thing to be able to call a guy like JVG out for inane ridiculous comments. It's even better to call guys like bumper out, because they have nothing of substance to offer. Thanx dude. But you keep right on sucking up to SVG as he sucks up to the Heat. I'm sure your tune will change should he alter his opinion. And beleive me, as soon as some of these clown predictions go by the boards, Van Gundy will be qualifying like crazy. He's done that before.

17 come 11.

Peace
 




Since: Feb 15, 2008
Posted on: August 10, 2010 7:19 am
 

Shootaround 8.9.10: Heat to pass 72?

Let's see. A guy who took an 8th seed to the NBA Finals and definitely knows a thing or two about the NBA game? Or a bunch of bitter guys sitting at their computers with their beer bellies who think they know a thing or two about the NBA game? Man that's tough. We don't know who to believe.



Since: Aug 22, 2006
Posted on: August 9, 2010 8:52 pm
 

Shootaround 8.9.10: Heat to pass 72?

Looks like Jeffy needs some knew pants. His pants are worn out for being on his knees so long. I thought he got fired. Also is he the idiot looking bald Van Gundy? I know one brother has a mustache and a bit fat while the other is bald and a bit of an idiot.



Since: Jan 13, 2008
Posted on: August 9, 2010 8:52 pm
 

Shootaround 8.9.10: Heat to pass 72?

Wow you are retarted.



Since: May 16, 2007
Posted on: August 9, 2010 7:59 pm
 

Shootaround 8.9.10: Heat to pass 72?

Jeff Van Gundy has always proved himself to be a complete moron.  Is there anything worse than listning to him try and analyize games on ABC.  His stupid little "I would have done this to slow him down"  Or "I dont understand that at all, why would phil jackson put him in at a moment like this in the game".  Ummm...maybe because he has 11 rings as a coach and you have none jeff.  I hate this guy on ABC because hes a bag of hot wind and every time he opens his mouth stupid flows out.  I think the heat will be outstanding.  I think they will be one of the top teams, no question.  Willl they break records??  Who knows, but to sit here and spout off that they will before training camp even begins is rediculous and shows how stupid JVG is.  I love Mike Breen and Mark Jackson, but i cant stand JVG.  Hopefully he gets a job with some 2nd rate NBA team and leaves the sidelines as an analyst because hes just painful to listen to sometimes.


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