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Joakim Noah involved in Carmelo trade talks?

Posted on: September 9, 2010 1:56 pm
Edited on: September 9, 2010 2:22 pm
 
Posted by Royce Young

Fresh off the report that the Bulls are on the top of Carmelo Anthony's list, a story from ESPN Chicago is out including a player the Bulls are discussing trading to get the Denver star.

Brace yourself Bulls fans, because you might be a little torn. But according to the report, in order to get Anthony, Joakim Noah could possibly be included as part of that package. The Nuggets are also reportedly hesitant to take back Luol Deng as part of the deal because of his long-term contract.

For the Bulls, it comes down to how bad do you want Carmelo? If it's that bad, then you deal Noah, no question. You aren't going to get Anthony for peanuts and this is precisely the kind of trade package that would be enticing enough for the Nuggets to pull the trigger on. But at the same time, what Bulls fan wasn't pumped at the twin tower combo of Noah and Carlos Boozer? I don't care about the Bulls one bit and that duo had me excited. Plus, without Noah, Boozer's defensive deficiencies become highlighted, especially if Anthony is playing small forward in that lineup.

Noah has emerged as one of the East's best big men, averaging a double-double last season while also finishing in the top 10 in rebounding. He's a high energy player that blocked 1.6 shots a game last season.

Now the Bulls are just discussing including Noah internally. No offer has been made (that we know of). If Denver is hesitant to take back Deng, Chicago will be forced to up the ante. A deal sending James Johnson and Taj Gibson isn't going to get it done. But adding Noah into some kind of package is something that Masai Ujiri will have to stop and think about.

The issue is though, working out the numbers. The Nuggets would pretty much be forced to take back Deng in order to line up the salary exchange. A deal sending Noah, Johnson and Gibson isn't near enough salary to match Anthony's $17 million. But adding Deng plus Noah plus Johnson or Noah works.

Noah only has one year left on his current contract, so who knows if the Nuggets want a player they aren't guaranteed to keep. So in order to alleviate some of Denver's concerns about Deng's contract, Noah might be added as the trump card. At least, that's what the Bulls are discussing amongst themselves right now.
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Since: May 26, 2009
Posted on: September 10, 2010 1:28 pm
 

Joakim Noah involved in Carmelo trade talks?

Well I now agree with all of you who have stated that Noah is too valuable to this team to just trade him without thinking. You are right about that. Trading Noah for a SF, even one of Carmelo Anthony's caliber, is not a "fast trigger move". It is something to think about quite seriously and perhaps for a long time.


But if you think that Melo can't help the Bulls you are either not a Chicago sports fan or you are an idiot. The only effective perimeter player we have right now is Derrick Rose. By himself in the regular season he's fine and dandy for helping us win 45 games. But when push comes to shove in the playoffs against Boston, Miami, Orlando, or even the Milwaukee Bucks (who now have Corey Maggette teamed up with Brandon Jennings) you will quickly find out that a single effective perimeter player does not a contender make.


Kirk Hinrich is no longer here. Ronnie Brewer is a defensive specialist. Kyle Korver is a spot up shooter. Taj Gibson's game is strong, but still developing. Gibson does not create his own shot. Neither does Luol Deng. Boozer plays on the block half the time.


As we are right now we will NEVER get past the elite teams of our conference. We'd be like the Utah Jazz from 2006-2010, with Derrick Rose as Deron Williams, Joakim Noah as Andrei Kirilenko, and Carlos Boozer as Carlos Boozer. Come to think of it, we also have Ronnie Brewer as Ronnie Brewer. And Kyle Korver as Kyle Korver.


You get the point? We'd be the doormats of the elite teams come playoff time. Melo dramatically improves our core group. We need fewer pieces to win a championship with Melo here than we do with only Rose, Boozer, and Noah.


Trade for him now... trade for him later... try REALLY HARD to keep Joakim Noah off of the table during negotiations. But by all means trade for Carmelo Anthony. If we pass on Anthony and instead go after Michael Redd I'm gonna be sick...






Since: Oct 11, 2006
Posted on: September 10, 2010 12:04 pm
 

Joakim Noah involved in Carmelo trade talks?

Carmelo is overrated, most people on this board no nothing about the game of basketball, melo is NOT A TOP 5 PLAYER if he was he would have a ring
i dont think he's as great as some think, BUT he's not overrated, he's a top 10 NBA player and worth signing or trading for, losing Noah will hurt, BUT getting Anthony for Noah wont kill the Bulls.
So we should try our best to get it done with Deng, Gibson, and picks but if it comes down to having to give up Noah to get it done you do it.  You do not typically trade big for small, but the small in this case is an elite player and the big is not
here's how i see it, as the Nuggets to take Deng, Gibson, Johnson and a 2011, 2012 first round picks. If they dont take that then say, Deng, Noah and Johnson, the 2nd deal should NOT include picks or Gibson, that's too much. If Noah is gone then they have to keep Gibson so they can have a starting center, i think the 2nd deal is the one the Nuggets should take. Noah gives them a big man in the middle and Deng gives them a scorer to replace Carmelo, is Deng elite or top 10, no, but he can play the game. IF the Nuggets pass on both deals, i cant see them getting a better offer from New York. New York would likely give them some picks, Curry (yuck), Wilson Chandler (about the same player as Deng) and maybe another player like Azubuike or Randolpth.



Since: Sep 1, 2006
Posted on: September 10, 2010 10:55 am
 

Joakim Noah involved in Carmelo trade talks?

Go Nuggs!

Hahahaha

the Nuggs will be bad for a very long time.



Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: September 10, 2010 9:35 am
 

Joakim Noah involved in Carmelo trade talks?

Melo is an allstar and an elite scorer. I agree that Noah is valuable, and Denver does not have any natural leverage, as Melo will leave after this year.  But they may have some leverage if other teams are making offers.  So we should try our best to get it done with Deng, Gibson, and picks but if it comes down to having to give up Noah to get it done you do it.  You do not typically trade big for small, but the small in this case is an elite player and the big is not.  It's not like Noah is Dwight Howard or something.  As a fan, you always pull for a guy who busts his butt to maximize his talents, and Noah has certainly done that.   But if Anthony is available you go after him.  We could find a defensive center who, playing with Boozer, Anthony, and Rose, would not be required to do very much on the offensive end.



Since: Sep 10, 2010
Posted on: September 10, 2010 4:09 am
 

Joakim Noah involved in Carmelo trade talks?

Dude u are an complete IDIOT, Carmelo is overrated, most people on this board no nothing about the game of basketball, melo is NOT A TOP 5 PLAYER if he was he would have a ring, because that's what top 5 players do, win championships, and last i heard, he hasn't won JACK! And u DO NOT trade a big for a small, i don;t care how many points he scores or BALLHOGS, that's more like him, and anybody else keep saying that the Bulls should gut their team because of that BALLHOG, pleaaseeee!!!



Since: Aug 14, 2007
Posted on: September 10, 2010 1:19 am
 

Joakim Noah involved in Carmelo trade talks?




Since: Oct 15, 2006
Posted on: September 10, 2010 12:04 am
 

Joakim Noah involved in Carmelo trade talks?

Wake up Bulls fans?  I can't believe some of my Bulls Brethren are wanting to keep Yannick Noah, er Joakim sorry wrong Noah rather than trading for Anthony.  The Deng/Kobe fiasco still burns.  Ok maybe Anthony isn't the most liked player in the NBA or in Colorado (according to fans).  But his scoring and match up difficulties far outweigh anything Joakim has done or may ever do.   Don't get me wrong, I like the kids enthusiasm but replacing him is far easier than finding a player like Anthony.

So wake up and smell the Kielbasa!!!   If Noah has to go so be it.........................



Since: Oct 11, 2007
Posted on: September 9, 2010 11:59 pm
 

Joakim Noah involved in Carmelo trade talks?

I agree with you.  You have to build your team to beat teams, not look flashy.  However, the one concern they might have that has them even considering this deal is Noak's foot problems.  Is it on it's way to chronic or was it a blip that was cured and unlikely to re-occur?  To answer my own paranoia, they would have pushed this deal thru if they had a major phobia about Jo's health so if projects as a good risk ong-term, walk away and let Carmelo cash out in NYC.




Since: Aug 27, 2006
Posted on: September 9, 2010 11:44 pm
 

Joakim Noah involved in Carmelo trade talks?

duanysqaured, yes Noah is not an offesnive machine. What he is is a player who will be the interior defender to stop the opposition getting into the low post. He will also bang the boards. If you trade Noah for Anthony, yes Melo will give you points, but who on the Bulls roster can take up the defensive slack from losing Noah? Sorry but I wouldn't trade Noah for Carmello Anthony.



Since: Mar 5, 2009
Posted on: September 9, 2010 11:26 pm
 

Joakim Noah involved in Carmelo trade talks?

DO THE TRADE NO MATTER WHAT!! MELO IS A BEAST HE IS ONE OF THE ELITE PLAYERS IN THE NBA RIGHT NOW.  I LIKE GIBSON, AND NOAH BUT FACE IT THEY WILL NOT HELP THE BULLS LIKE MELO WOULD. THIS IS A NO BRAINER!!   JUST THINK MELO, ROSE, BOOZER  VS  THE X-KING, WADE, AND BOSH THATS BETTER THEN NOAH, BOOZER, AND ROSE ANY DAY. PULL THE TRIGGER AT ALL COST BUT GOT TO GET HIM WITH A NICE LITTLE DEAL.   


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