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Jazz: Giant killers or smoke and mirrors?

Posted on: November 11, 2010 12:51 am
Do wins over the Heat and Magic on a back-to-back road trip make the Jazz giant killers or simply masters of parlor tricks they can't rely on? Survey says: Jazz fans don't care. Posted by Matt Moore

Jazz Giant Killer's Or Lucky Strikes?

You'd think that knocking off two of the best teams in the East, championship contenders both, on back to back nights, on the road, would clear up the angle of who the Jazz are. You'd think that surviving a LeBron James triple-double, a 39 point outburst from Dwyane Wade, and a 20 point night from Vince Carter would give the Jazz an air of invincibility.

But it wouldn't be the Jazz if the didn't leave just the slightest hint of doubt in the minds of neutral observers, enough to plant seeds of skeptical criticism and enabling Jazz fans to rally behind their team as the underrated superstars once again. Meet the New Jazz. Kind of like the Old Jazz. Only kind of better, so far.

The disturbing signs about the Jazz are based on probablities. Losing to the Magic in a close one would have actually seemingly cemented the win over Miami as legitimate, because it wouldn't be seen as a fluke. Instead, the Jazz now have back-to-back road victories on a back-to-back against two of the top 3 teams in the East (common sense, not record-wise). And that just seems improbable. It seems improbable that they survived James' triple-double and Wade's outpouring, that they managed to get Dwight Howard in foul trouble and still overcome Vince Carter and Jameer Nelson having it going. Mostly it seems improbable that they could do all of this after going down by 15+ in each of the two games.

So the question is there.

Is this for real?

The Jazz started off remarkably slow this season, with losses to Denver and Phoenix. But a big Halloween night win over the Thunder seemed to spur them into a wakeup call, and since then they've only lost once in November, and that was to a Golden State team that no longer is an unforgiveable loss. But no one could have seen this coming. Well, except Jerry Sloan. Sloan was his usual self after the game, unmoved by his team's performance. Happy with the win, sure, but he's been around the block too many times to get too worked up, though he made time to praise his point guard. As he should; Deron Williams was simply phenomenal.

Stan Van Gundy called the loss "disturbing" and he should refer to it that way. Not just for the Magic who saw Dwight Howard turn into Clark Kent getting pummeled by the suddenly superhuman Paul Millsap, but for the rest of the league and those that try and make sense of it. Are the Jazz this good? Was this just a fluke, again? Does Utah have something special going on here even in November, or was this just an anomaly on their way to where most predict them, a mid-level playoff seed and a second round exit at the hands of the Lakers again?

Playing from a deficit makes for great blog fodder and warms the hearts of fans, but it's also not a sustainable strategy. Eventually you'll dig a hole you can't climb out of, and when that happens, you'll find yourself regretting you need the shovel at all. But at the same time, the energy, enthusiasm, and burgeoning chemistry can't be denied on a team that managed to make the Magic look meek and the Heat seem sub-zero in the fourth quarters of both games. And so we'll continue to wonder if the Jazz are giant killers or just mosquitoes that managed to catch the goliaths napping long enough to draw blood.

After all, there were plenty of people saying the victory over the Heat Tuesday night was a fluke based on the perimeter prowess of Paul Millsap. Those same people will question how reliable it is to depend on the Magic to surrender 21 turnovers. In both games against the Sunshine Behemoths the Jazz were out-rebounded and faced significant deficits in field goal percentage. And in both games they seemed to go on a near-psychotic rush to pull the game back within reach. Those same people will question if this is a reliable strategy. But at the end of the day it was reliable enough to net them wins over two teams that aren't going to have too many losses come April.

And consider this: the Jazz are still integrating new players, too, and with the rest of their division looking weak early on, the Jazz are giving themselves an opportunity to do something big by winning games they're not supposed to.

But then, that's why we play them, isn't it?

Since: Dec 10, 2007
Posted on: November 11, 2010 5:13 pm

Jazz: Giant killers or smoke and mirrors?

Only a blathering nimrod would conclude that a second consecutive amazing comeback win proves that the first is a fluke. Keep pulling off these "flukes", Jazz. Pretty soon Moore will be asserting that the Jazz are actually a bad team that happens to be the luckiest in the league...

Since: Oct 24, 2007
Posted on: November 11, 2010 2:48 pm

Jazz: Giant killers or smoke and mirrors?

For as good as the 2nd halves were against Miami and Orlando, the 1st halves were just as bad. Utah scored 32 in the first half at Miami and 35 at Orlando. Utah is getting all this publicity for playing well when really, they only played great for a half of the last two games. Utah won't keep putting up phenomenal 2nd halves, but they also won't keep putting up miserable 1st halves.

Utah should only get better as the season progresses and recently, they've been pretty darn good.

Since: May 17, 2008
Posted on: November 11, 2010 1:30 pm

Jazz: Giant killers or smoke and mirrors?

The Jazz are a good team, certainly capable of beating anybody on a given night, Heat, Magic, Celtics, even Lakers, anybody.  The wins over the Heat and Magic were not "flukes" but you certainly don't want to play from that far behind on a regular basis and remember that winning 1 game against a team is a lot different from winning 4 in a 7 game playoff series.  IMO the Jazz are good, but still a ways away from being  a title contender.

Since: Dec 10, 2006
Posted on: November 11, 2010 12:37 pm

Jazz: Giant killers or smoke and mirrors?

This is not yet the time to label these guys contenders but they should be congratulated on a terrific road trip.

To contend they will have to prove this was not a fluke or just a hot hand. And Milshap will be defended differently and more intensely if he continues playing so great. Let's see how he stands up to "Kobe" treatment by opponents before accepting him into the superstar exclusive club.

Great weekend- good team- now prove you are a contender.

Since: Jan 20, 2007
Posted on: November 11, 2010 12:18 pm

Jazz: Giant killers or smoke and mirrors?

Worst sports memory of my life pipdad. Ripped a NCG appearence right from us.

Since: Sep 9, 2009
Posted on: November 11, 2010 10:45 am

Jazz: Giant killers or smoke and mirrors?

Millsap has just been ridiculously hot. Once he comes down to earth the jazz will as well. End of story.

Since: Oct 3, 2006
Posted on: November 11, 2010 7:01 am

Jazz: Giant killers or smoke and mirrors?

I say both -- and neither. Historically, the Jazz are about two-thirds steady and predictable, one-third Jekyll and Hyde, which chalks up to about 50 wins and a second round playoff exit. We Jazz fans will have great fun with this Florida trip, but we would be wise to not rush any judgments. They can beat anyone, anywhere, anytime. Just don't bet your life on it. 

Since: Oct 13, 2006
Posted on: November 11, 2010 5:21 am

Jazz: Giant killers or smoke and mirrors?

This is the same Deron Williams that lead the Illini to overcome a 15 point deficit with only four minutes remaining against Arizona in the elite eight of the NCAA tourney.  It's nothing new to him, at the very least.  He's simply a very competitive winner.

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