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Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

Posted on: December 15, 2010 10:19 pm
Edited on: December 16, 2010 10:40 am
 
Posted by Matt Moore

UPDATE 10:41 p.m. EST:
A league spokesman for the NBA informs CBSSports.com that there was no "trigger" that occurred which would allow a review of Pierce's game winner, which meant that it stood as called. So that explains that. We'll have more on the trigger rules later.

UPDATE 11:22 p.m. EST: For what it's worth, a New York  (yes, I hear you Celtics fans) media producer says he timed Amar'e Stoudemire's shot and it came out to .68 seconds . He claims that Pierce's shot was through at .7 as well.

It may not be a rivalry yet, but it's well on its way.

Paul Pierce nailed the game winner over the outstretched arms of Amar'e Stoudemire with .4 seconds left to give the Celtics their run-of-the-mill tough, relentless win 118-116. It was Paul Pierce, coming off a Ray Allen screen, forcing the Knicks to switch, getting Pierce with space on the right elbow, his sweet spot, against Amar'e Stoudemire (who was a beast from the first quarter on). Pierce pushed a little deeper than his favorite spot at the elbow, to the right wing, rose, fired, and...



Kaboom. Knicks lose. A heartbreaker, but that's what the Celtics do. With only .4 left on the clock, the Knicks got the ball to Amar'e Stoudemire for a prayer three. It was, amazingly, good, but after the buzzer. 



Except...

Go back to the Pierce shot. When exactly did that ball go all the way through the net, as the NBA rulebook says it must for it to count?




That would be .6. At least. You might be able to make the argument that it landed at .8.

And if you're interested in the clock on the shot clock? Courtesy of @TheYankeeU on Twitter. 




Couple things:
  • It is well within Boston fans' right to contest that Amar'e still wouldn't have gotten the shot off in time. Trying to match up the times would be nearly impossible, but it was firmly cradled in his hand when the buzzer sounded. Would another.2 to .4 matter?
  • It's also easy to make the argument that Boston might have defended differently (less concern about the lob) with .6 or .8 versus .04. Everything changes with that time differential. There's something in here about chaos theory and parallel universes, but we don't want to go there. 
  • The Knicks still very much had every chance to win this game and Boston took it from them.
  • It's also possible this was a production issue with the network carrying the game, but we're willing to give them the benefit of the doubt here. 
But it is a pretty interesting development that at home, in a situation where review is pretty much required, it would certainly appear as if things were amiss in Madison Square Garden.

Great win for Boston, but this shows just how tough of a loss it was for New York. 
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Since: Dec 20, 2006
Posted on: December 16, 2010 10:03 am
 

Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

This kind of stuff happens all the time with clocks at the end of the game. Clocks are operated by humans, and they make mistakes sometimes. In this instance, it's really hard to tell; but I think the Celtics would have gotten similar treatment had Stoudemire made the winning shot, and Pierce ran out of time with .4 seconds left.

I know New York-area based CBS and ESPN are praying for a NY Knicks resurgence; but I just wish they wouldn't make the Celtics the pin-cushion for their questionable theories.

Celtics: 12 game win streaks don't happen by accident; good teams generally win close games. This one was no exception.




Since: Apr 3, 2009
Posted on: December 16, 2010 9:37 am
 

Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

boston drinks pee


RonBoss2
Since: May 19, 2010
Posted on: December 16, 2010 9:25 am
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Since: Sep 8, 2008
Posted on: December 16, 2010 8:18 am
 

Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

Does the clock stop automatically after every basket or do the Knicks have to call time out after the basket to stop the clock?




Since: Feb 2, 2008
Posted on: December 16, 2010 5:43 am
 

Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

Bottom line Celtics win...but the Knicks proved they are for real and the best Defense in the NBA had no answer for them.. they are not quite there yet but the NY Knicks are coming..



Since: Dec 16, 2010
Posted on: December 16, 2010 12:29 am
 

Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

As for the timer, if you go back to the replay you will see it hit it was still in the air at .08, it was at the rim at .07, then us see .08 bc the clock is transitioning over to .06. Even at .06 Amare does not get that shot of in time because he took an extra tenth of a second to set his feet. Even at .06 he would have to do what derek fisher did and shoot as he is trying to square his shoulders. I personally thought the play was terrible because there needed to be a perfect pass to the chest of Amare (he got it on his left hip farthest away from the basket, too low of a pass and on the wrong side). Why you don't have Felton inbounding is beyond me. I would much rather take my chances with a lob at the basket than a long range attempt with Amare. If anybody should have taken that kind of shot for the Knicks its Galinari who has a quicker jumper and can square up better. It was a great game overall. But if you analyze the detail, that play needed to be perfect for amare just to get the shot off and it wasn't. At least with a lob you have a better chance of getting a shot off or even drawing a foul and if your going for the win. Try and get the player in motion going to the basket and not away from it.



Since: Jan 12, 2008
Posted on: December 16, 2010 12:15 am
 

Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

No Casey. If it's under a minute left, the clock stops after the shot is made.


rayallen34
Since: Sep 29, 2007
Posted on: December 16, 2010 12:14 am
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Since: Dec 15, 2010
Posted on: December 15, 2010 11:49 pm
 

Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

Ahh. Thanks.



Since: Feb 8, 2008
Posted on: December 15, 2010 11:40 pm
 

Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

If the Knicks knew how to close out a game, this wouldn't be an issue, but, hey, great game. Nothing beats Boston versus New York no matter what the sport.


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