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Wolves involved in latest N.Y. Melo talks

Posted on: February 6, 2011 2:00 am
Edited on: February 6, 2011 2:02 am
 
Knicks moving in closer on Carmelo Anthony. Again. Yes, it's different this time. We think.
Posted by Matt Moore

On Friday in his Post-Ups, Ken Berger shared the following update to the Knicks' pursuit of Carmelo Anthony: 


While the Nuggets realize they will have to seriously engage the Knicks in trade talks for Anthony before the Feb. 24 deadline, a third team already has stepped into the on-deck circle as a potential facilitator if talks between Denver and New York ever gain traction. That team, sources say, is the Timberwolves, who are willing to absorb Eddy Curry's $11.3 million expiring contract in a three-team scenario that would send Anthony Randolph to Minnesota and Anthony to New York. In this scenario, which one executive involved deemed "unlikely," the Wolves would simply waive Curry after the trade. Depending on the timing, Curry would likely have only five paychecks remaining for a total of $4.7 million. So taking on Curry would involve little or no cost to Minnesota; if the Wolves could negotiate a $3 million buyout covering the remainder of Curry's salary, that tab would be fully picked up by the Knicks, who could send as much as $3 million cash to Minnesota in the trade. But Curry's $11.3 million cap number would help make the complicated trade math work in a three-team deal.
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Saturday night, Chris Broussard confirmed the report and added a few more specific names to the deal being discussed: 

In the proposed trade, New York would send Anthony Randolph and Eddy Curry to Minnesota and the Timberwolves would send Corey Brewer and a first-round pick to Denver. Denver would also receive Wilson Chandler from New York. The deal is not expected to happen until the middle of next week at the earliest, and one source said it could drag out until the trade deadline. Denver, which has been exchanging proposals with the Knicks for the past couple weeks, is weighing other options.

via Sources: New York Knicks, Denver Nuggets, Minnesota Timberwolves discuss Carmelo deal - ESPN New York.

Ken Berger reports Saturday night that the deal has not progressed further since his report Friday afternoon. 


This deal isn't a disaster. In a way, everyone gets what they want: 

  • The Knicks get Melo.
  • The Timberwolves get Anthony Randolph who they inexplicably want. 
  • The Nuggets get a viable veteran wing to fill-in for Melo in the hopes of keeping them in the playoff race. They also get Corey Brewer who's a capable wing defender and still young.  The first round pick is a nice asset as well. 


But there is some context here. The Knicks get away free here, turning Wilson Chandler, Eddy Curry and Anthony Randolph into Carmelo Anthony, which they've been after since the summer. The Wolves, though? Despite continuing issues between Brewer and his agent and Wolves' management, giving up on Brewer and a first rounder just to get Anthony Randolph and a little bit of cap space is a pretty steep deal. But the worst of this comes for Denver. 

Should Denver accept this deal or be forced to accept this deal to avoid losing Melo for nothing, they go from the Nets' offer of Devin Harris, three first rounders and Derrick Favors for Melo and Chauncey Billups to Wilson Chandler, Corey Brewer, and one first rounder. That's a terrible downgrade in return. It would represent a tremendous loss of leverage if the Nuggets are cornered into this deal. The Nuggets had reportedly held the Knicks at arms-length based on their lack of assets. Thanks to the Wolves and Mikhail Prokhorov's cutting off talks, Donnie Walsh may have found a way to get Melo at the right price after all. 

Kahn worked under Walsh with the Indiana Pacers from 1995 until 2004. 
Comments

Since: Aug 24, 2009
Posted on: February 7, 2011 4:08 pm
 

Wolves involved in latest N.Y. Melo talks

jr smith is a  proven NBA starter for every team in this league,  chandler was lucky to get drafted only one team was looking at him and he got drafted by them.



Since: Aug 24, 2009
Posted on: February 7, 2011 4:05 pm
 

Wolves involved in latest N.Y. Melo talks

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah... Carmello Anthony blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah




Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: February 7, 2011 9:45 am
 

Wolves involved in latest N.Y. Melo talks

It seems true that the Nuggets are backed into a corner, but they still don't have to make a deal.  The deal here basically just saves them salary this year and gives them a poor draft pick. Unless the owners really need the cash, it seems pointless and the nuggets should justtake the cap space.  Chandler seems no better than JR Smith, and that Minnesota guy is likely not even in their rotation.  Chandler is just cap space at the end of the year, like Melo would be. 



Since: May 18, 2009
Posted on: February 7, 2011 12:09 am
 

Wolves involved in latest N.Y. Melo talks

Just as most on here have mentioned. This is a win/win for the Knicks. It is about time the Knicks have a GM that knows what he is doing. I give Donnie Walsh a lot of credit. The chips have been in his hand the entire time and he played it as cool as he could. All the talk about the Nets this Nets that. He did not say a word and just sat back and watched. Now the ball is completely in his quart. He does not have to give up shit now. The Nuggest realize they could be the next Cavs and get absolutely zero next season. Chandler is a good player and even if they dont hold on to him, They might be able to sign and trade with him at the end of the season. They are also getting a 1st round pick. We all know it will be hard for this to replace Carmelo but this is the shoes they are in. They have no choice, Melo wants the Knicks and they aren't going to let him go empty handed. It is as simple as that.
Being a Knick fan. I can't help but praise the patients of Donnie Walsh. He is doing a great job!



Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: February 6, 2011 9:56 pm
 

Wolves involved in latest N.Y. Melo talks

You don't need to compare the Nets offer to see that this proposed trade seems pretty baffling.  The Nuggets are not likely to keep Chandler or Brewer, and the TWolves pick is either the Jazz' pick or their own 2014 pick.  It seems more sensible for the Nuggets to just lose Melo after the season rather than downgrade this year just to lose Chandler/Brewer.  The 1st round hardly seems worth it at all.  Make Melo sweat and just take the cap savings you will get anyway if you let Melo walk or Brewer/Chandler.
The sad thing about this deal is that it will save Denver 11.3 Million this year straight up salary (if my crappy math is right, no promises) and since they are in the luxury tax it would save an additional percent of that (need someone smarter than I am to figure it out).
So there is zero reason to take the deal described competitively, it gives the nuggets nothing but a future lousy draft pick.  But..if the Nuggs are just being so so cheap, than they will do it just to keep extra cash in their pockets.
That would be pretty unforgiveable.  They would basically just be the Raptors and Cavs, except those teams didn't take the money and cut out on their fans. 



Since: Jul 29, 2009
Posted on: February 6, 2011 5:51 pm
 

Wolves involved in latest N.Y. Melo talks

Why does everyone compare the Knicks trade offers with the Nets offer?  The Nets offer was not a real offer because Melo was not going to sign an extension with the Nets.  The only reason he has not said as much is because he does not want to look like a bad guy to the Denver fans, he does not want to go the LeBron route as he has said on numerous occasions.  

Behind the scenes Melo has told Denver he will only sign an extension with the Knicks.  So the only real comparison of offers to look at here is Denver getting Brewer, Chandler, and a 1 versus getting a 1 or 2 in a sign-and-trade in the offseason with the Knicks.  I would be shocked if Denver gets a better deal than this one for Melo, unless the Knicks throw in another player at the last minute to get the deal done.  No team, not Dallas or anyone else is going to give up more assets than the Knicks just so they can "rent" Melo.  Melo will be a Knick on Feb. 24, the only question is whether the Knicks will have given up one more player than the ones discussed.
perfectly said,,,realy,,and as far as the knicks go,,,,they realy lose nothing because even if they want to sign melo as a FA it would mean letting chandler go ,,he's gona get more then 10 mil a year next year and the knicks wont be able to pay him what he deserves.



Since: Jul 29, 2009
Posted on: February 6, 2011 5:46 pm
 

Wolves involved in latest N.Y. Melo talks

the knicks would be the big winners from this deal,,,they would lose chandler anyway at the end of the season.



Since: Mar 19, 2010
Posted on: February 6, 2011 3:02 pm
 

Wolves involved in latest N.Y. Melo talks

Understand that the Wolves would be giving up Utah's #1 not their own Lotto pick.  RIght now it would be #20.  ALSO, Brewer has not been much of a producer for them and they like A.R.'s upside and feel he could develop in MN.  MN wins in this trade as well! 



Since: Dec 23, 2010
Posted on: February 6, 2011 2:53 pm
 

Wolves involved in latest N.Y. Melo talks

average per Game Stoudemire=30 PTS-Melo=28 PTS-Felton=18 PTS-Felton-13-(oopps That would be Fields=13 PTS )Gallarni=14 .



Since: Dec 23, 2010
Posted on: February 6, 2011 2:38 pm
 

Wolves involved in latest N.Y. Melo talks

I agree with you Redhoff. That would be a steal. The Knicks control this whole mess now and could come out giving up just one good Player. Chandler is good but Melo is the Star. Image this Year the Knicks would start with Stoudemire-Melo-Felton-Fields - Gallarni. That starting lineup could average per Game Stoudemire=30 PTS-Melo=28 PTS-Felton=18 PTS-Felton-13-Gallarni=14 . That is 103 PTS and a bench that could score another 10 Points that would mean 113 Points per game at least . 113 Ponts in the NBA will get you 4 wins out of 5 Games for sure. If the Trade is made this Year the Knicks will make noise in the Playoffs. Its Great to Wish


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