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Report: Nuggets want Knicks' farm for Melo

Posted on: February 17, 2011 9:35 am
Edited on: February 17, 2011 9:36 am
 
Report indicates Nuggets asked Knicks for four of top six players including Raymond Felton, Wilson Chandler, and Gallinari.
Posted by Matt Moore



Photo via Getty Images, illustration via Eye on Basketball. Laughs out loud via Masai Ujiri.

Basically, the next things Masai Ujiri's going to ask for are the fillings out of Donnie Walsh's teeth and Mike D'Antoni's mustache. That's pretty much all that's left for them to ask in exchange for Melo if a report out of New York Times is accurate. From the Times

According to a Knicks official, Denver wants Raymond Felton, Landry Fields, Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari — four of their top six players — for Carmelo Anthony and an aging Chauncey Billups. The Nuggets have also asked about Timofey Mozgov.
via Knicks Making Progress. Will They Make a Deal? - NYTimes.com.

Oh, and the New York Post reports that first-rounder via the Timberwolves for Anthony Randolph is a requisite, too. Next on the list are "all the tea in China," "Fort Knox," "a pet Chupacabra" and "the top floor of the Empire State Building."  This is an absurd asking price, even as a starter, even for an All-Star starter. The Nuggets apparently think that Carmelo Anthony can play every position on the floor except point guard and power forward.  The Knicks would never surrender Gallinari and Fields in any scenario, not when one is a high-upside, high-percentage perimeter threat and the other is in the top five for Rookie of the Year. Raymond Felton is even a stretch, even if they were getting Chauncey Billups back in the deal. This isn't just too much. It's what happens when you ask for too much, then decide to throw in some extra wishes on top. 

This is pretty much the model of what Masai Ujiri has done in these negotiations. Ask for too much, from a position of weakness, then ask for more. We're fairly certain if the Knicks had somehow, someway agreed to that deal, Ujiri would have then asked for the Rockettes. 

As Ken Berger reported Wednesday, Knicks GM Donnie Walsh won't be freaking out over these talks. If Denver wants to continue throwing out ridiculous price tags in an effort to get a steal right up until the last minute, he's content to let them stimmer in their own absurd demands. The Knicks stomped the fourth-seeded Hawks last night to get a much needed win, will be making the playoffs regardless, and the future is bright with or without Melo. The fact that Denver is desperate enough to be trying to get what amounts to one of the most ridiculous deals this side of the Pau Gasol trade actually only further puts into relief how much they're flirting with disaster here. 

Even if they've moved towards a reasonable compromise from this starting position, you have to wonder just who it is that Masai Ujiri thinks he's got here. Melo is a top talent. An All-Star. But no rings, little defense, and not a legend. 

But apparently he's got a legend's asking price. 

No one's giving up that much for Carmelo Anthony, except Isiah Thomas. And he's not calling the shots. Yet
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Since: Dec 2, 2008
Posted on: February 17, 2011 2:06 pm
 

Report: Nuggets want Knicks' farm for Melo

stimmer in their own absurd demands

Uh, "stimmer" isn't a word.  Do you mean simmer?  Like to cook in hot liquid?  And as for the asking price, if it's too high then just walk away.  Up to this point the Nuggets have been offered non-All-Star talent in exchange for one of the league's best players.  Maybe the Knicks deal is fair considering it's a six month rental and they are almost guaranteed to pay a premium if they trade for Carmelo Anthony and then extend his contract this year, as with the new CBA salaries are predicted to be substantially less.  But what I think is completely overlooked is how much cap space the Nuggets have for the 2011-2012 season.  Here's the list of Nuggets becoming free agents at the end of the year and their salaries:


RESTRICTED
  $2.9 million

UNRESTRICTED
(ETO)  $17 million
  $1.3 million
(ETO)  $11.3 million
  $16.5 million
  $6 million
  $1 million


That's up to $56 million coming off the books next year.  If the Nuggets want to blow up the team, they don't need the New York Knicks to help them do it.  If they just choose not to sign most of these guys they will be in position to lose a lot of games and be a high lottery pick or they can try to assemble a new squad via free agency.  Let's face it, expiring contracts are a huge asset and the Nuggets shouldn't feel they have a gun to their head.  They aren't like the Cavs, because they don't have two years to pay Antawn Jamison $15 million+ a year for a team that can't win games.  The Nuggets may acquire some additional assets through a Melo trade, but they don't need it to have a lot of power in the rebuilding process.


One other possible scenario would be for the Nuggets to actually move to acquire another piece at the trade deadline.  Chris Kaman is an All-Star caliber center who has been rumored to be on the block in LA.  It's a risk as his ankle hasn't been healthy this season, but if the Nuggets could add him for a playoff run you have a guy that rebounds and defends well in the low post, which is what the Nuggets need against the Lakers, and has a nice scoring touch.


I don't mind the Nuggets asking for the everything under the sun for Melo, they either get way too many assets in a reverse Kenyon Martin type situation or they get one last playoff push with this team.  Either way if the Nuggets have a high ask, the franchise can benefit.




Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: February 17, 2011 12:51 pm
 

Report: Nuggets want Knicks' farm for Melo

It is kind of sad.  Knicks have been so awful for so long that they are afraid to do anything that could impact their ability to be a perennial 7th seed in the Leastern Conference. 
They have a chance to become GREAT in a few years, but they are going to cling to their "just-below-mediocre-but-still-respe

ctable" status due to their Isaih THomas PTSD.  It's sad.



Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: February 17, 2011 12:48 pm
 

Report: Nuggets want Knicks' farm for Melo

Good lord, another crap biased article based on "secret new york knicks" sources.  How is this crap biased Times article based from "secret new york knicks" sources more credible than the Daily News crap article based from "secret new york knicks" sources or the biased Post crap article based from "secret new york knicks" sources?   
Donnie Walsh must LOVE poisoning the well as he obviously dishes out lots of crap to the crap NY media who then feed the crap to crap CBSSports writers like this.
Why are the KnickFans being ignorant on this?  Walsh is piling on this crap because he DOES NOT want Carmelo, at least not at 81 mill for 4-years.  WHEN the Knicks don't get Carmelo via trade before the deadline, Wlash will have all these crap biased articles based on "secret new york knicks" sources that have made it so KnickFan won't be pissed at him, Walsh can say "we tried but the nuggets were not nice to me" as opposed to "I never wanted Carmelo at 81 million bucks"...



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: February 17, 2011 12:22 pm
 

Report: Nuggets want Knicks' farm for Melo

Ok Nuggets.  Keep Melo.  Melo, I'll we'll see you next year or the year after that epedning on a "lockout"



Since: Dec 14, 2006
Posted on: February 17, 2011 12:01 pm
 

Report: Nuggets want Knicks' farm for Melo

Finally!!! I commend Mr Moore for finally making media sense. I am well aware of the New York Bias, even with sportswriters. We all know Melo would be great for the Knicks and the city of New York, but the Knicks should not mortgage the farm to get him. Why would Melo want to be a Knick if the rest of the team goes to Denver.



Since: Nov 23, 2009
Posted on: February 17, 2011 10:58 am
 

Report: Nuggets want Knicks' farm for Melo

I really hope you're right. It's widely known that Dolan can and will go above the managment he put in place and do something to screw the team. I pray it isn't so. I view Fields as untouchable. Gallo or Chandler and definitely not both.


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